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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
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Jan 10, 2012 - 09:03pm PT
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Well, one thing I did learn from these posts - This ain't going down like a Fish Detractor's thread!
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ms55401
Trad climber
minneapolis, mn
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Jan 10, 2012 - 09:28pm PT
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Ball has it (mostly) right
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Mattq331
Mountain climber
Boulder/UK
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Jan 10, 2012 - 09:39pm PT
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Ball is right, but forgot one thing:
Locker is being an a$$ as well.
Pretty sad thread really.
ST is richer for having the likes of Chessler around, and this petty vindictiveness sucks.
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nick d
Trad climber
nm
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Jan 11, 2012 - 01:03am PT
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Chessler has been the leading purveyor of climbing related books for most of my life. All the clowns bad rapping him need to realize where the mountaineering world would be without his life's legacy. Thirty years ago you just couldn't get the stuff Chessler sold anywhere else.
Hope the haters can get what they need at amazon.
Take the Chessler challenge Ron and sell one of your multi-thousand dollar guns and just give the money to Kor. It sounds like you are mad that Chessler gave him more money than you did, that seems like an easy way to even the score.
Or, would that compromise your manhood too much? We couldn't have that, now could we?
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bvb
Social climber
flagstaff arizona
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Jan 11, 2012 - 01:24am PT
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Let's draw the curtain of charity across this thread, shall we? LEB's not here, so there's no need to behave as though she is.
Nothing new has been said in the last gazillion posts. The dialogue -- if you can call it that -- Is stuck in an increasingly degenerative toxic loop. Most of us who have availed ouselves of his services will likely continue to do so. Those of us who never have will likely never do so, under any circumstances, because they are not pathalogical collectors, like me (guilty as charged.) or have no serious fascination with the long and storied history of mountaineering literature.
True story: Long ago (1979) I was on a John Menlove Edwards kick, and wanted a copy Sampson to review. It had been privately published in a miniscule print run and the only public domain copy in the US was held by the Library of Congress. Yes, THAT library of Congress. Somehow the folks in interlibrary loan at The Evergreen State College got it for me. So I walked around for weeks with that priceless volume in my book bag, along with my dried mushrooms and bong and dirty underwear. I was clueless. It was only years later it occured to me I simply could have reported my book bag lost or stolen and just kept it for myself.
But I doubt I could have lived with myself.
Sure wish I'd photographed and photocopied it.
In any event -- Chessler, if you ever run across it (yeah, I know, never happen) I'm your guy.
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bvb
Social climber
flagstaff arizona
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Jan 11, 2012 - 01:40am PT
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I've also been looking for a first (and only) edition copy of Auden's "The Ascent Of F2" for 35 years. It simply ain't out there. Library of Congress has a copy and New York City Library has a copy. They don't circulate. They're buried in the rare books vault, right next to the Gutenburg bible, and you need some ironclad university recommends to get even brief examination access. Photocopying is not allowed.
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WBraun
climber
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Jan 11, 2012 - 01:44am PT
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It was never about his book selling or really the rope or any that sh!t.
Even you yanked his chain about the price the rope Bob.
We all well know the value of this stuff to parties interested.
That's a given.
The thread went viral because he's a jackass and nothing to do with his business.
But he spun it in such way to look like it was about his business.
Jim Brennan said up thread "It seems to me that he likes being bothered."
He kept coming back into the hornets nest and stirring up the hornets like the fool he is and got stung back.
He was shooting himself in the foot all along when instead if he had any sense he could of easily made this whole affair a positive one for himself.
He doesn't how because he's a jackass.
He easily knee jerks anything he remotely perceives as a threat to him imaginary or real.
Narcissistic personality, ..... but then we all have our character flaws too.
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bvb
Social climber
flagstaff arizona
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Jan 11, 2012 - 02:14am PT
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Even you yanked his chain about the price the rope Bob
Actually, I remarked that "I'd wanna know a hell of alot more about the provenance of those ropes before I shelled out $250.00 ducats for 'em!
Once that got cleared up I remarked that two-fitty seemed like a "screamin' deal" (this of course assumed you're in the market for this kind of ephemera at all. If not, they are of no value whatsoever.)
I went on to explore the phenomena and value of signatures; these observations were made in the context of my belief that i could easily secure many of these signatures without any help from a third party.
I'm just sayin'...we're flogging a dead horse here, and the tone continues to degenerate. It's starting to take on that slow-down-while-passing-a-bad-wreck-to-gawk sorta feel. Whick IRL I always do! But I love climbing books, so I guess this particular thread leaves me with a heavy heart. I'd much rather be slandering Roubidox of slaggin' on that circus freak LEB!
Lots of folks pouring gasoline on this fire. Sure is toasty in here!
Peach, Outtie.
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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Jan 11, 2012 - 07:54am PT
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the problem with chessler is yanking his ad from chris over this nonsense. it implies someone who thinks he can run the world from his backyard. a small businessman thinking small. and i daresay, a bookseller who doesn't understand the books he sells.
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bvb
Social climber
flagstaff arizona
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Jan 11, 2012 - 08:20am PT
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Tempest + Teapot + Cranky, bored, over-the-hill climbers + Too much Interwebs = Supertopo.
POW! +1
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mwatsonphoto
Trad climber
los angeles, ca
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Jan 11, 2012 - 10:32am PT
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Thanks for driving up the price guys... no I'll never be able to afford it!
VINTAGE MANILA CLIMBING ROPE c. 1950s
Price $350.00 - Item # HW14
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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Jan 11, 2012 - 10:33am PT
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All the clowns bad rapping him need to realize where the mountaineering world would be without his life's legacy
You give bad service, you get "bad rapped". Dude promised delivery by a certain date, date approached, dude didn't respond to inquiry emails until deadline had passed, at which point assholio was rude. Intended gift arrived many days after promised and too late to use as intended gift.
And BTW, you're a f*#king moron if your "argument" amounts to "blah blah blah,haters". Automatic FAIL. But thanks for attempting to play anyway.
That said, please PLEASE explain to me how the mountaineering world would be any different if Chiseler was busy chiseling say, the windsurfing community? It wouldn't be. At all. Did little Mikey secretly invent the 10pt crampon or the reverse curved ice tool? Maybe it was him and not Washburn shooting all those pics of the Alaska Range? My bad, I hear it was really little Mikey Chiseler that put up all those FAs Beckey claimed.
Get a f*#king clue...if you can't find one, maybe little Mikey will sell you one, probably one signed by Col Mustard in Library. You can get Professor Plum's ivory tipped pipe too for the right price. Chiseler is a hanger-on to the scene at most, basically a parasite.
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Marlow
Sport climber
OSLO
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Jan 11, 2012 - 10:43am PT
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Since the middle is everywhere. And to bring everything back into focus: The funny thing to me is that WBraun is framing himself as a hornet - an easily excitable boy. That of course explains a few things.
LOL...
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Ihateplastic
Trad climber
It ain't El Cap, Oregon
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 11, 2012 - 10:48am PT
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Jan 11, 2012 - 11:08am PT
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Jim was right when he said;
The world is better for someone coming along and saying, " I got it, you want it, this is how much.
so elcapinyoaz is out of line calling him a parasite (and BTW parasites perform a useful function in a healthy ecology) unless Col Mustard got the shlt end of that ivory tipped pipe.
Either way, it is sad that somebody, to whom the last of the book buying armchair mountaineers are his bread and butter, stumbled into a campfire where they and even a few of the people IN those books are just trying to pass a little time before the next climb, only to spontaneously vomit with great vigor.
This is what happens when you eat at the Lodge cafeteria.
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Ihateplastic
Trad climber
It ain't El Cap, Oregon
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 11, 2012 - 11:13am PT
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This is what happens when you eat at the Lodge cafeteria.
You know, I ate there decades ago and got sick. I ate there again two Facelifts ago and got SICK! I will not be eating there EVER again. Is this a metaphor?
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
merced, california
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May 12, 2012 - 04:16am PT
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IHATEPLASTICAPITALISM.
IHATEPLASTICELCAPITALISMEVENMORETHANIHATETRYINGTOGETTHISRANTRIGHT, SUTOOPIDS.
THAT WAS LIKE DOING FOUR LAPS UNDER WATER AT THE POOL.
MFM
Is this just a big April Fool joke on me, or is this some slimeball used bookseller trick to jack a rich fool like
YOU?
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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May 12, 2012 - 09:47am PT
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"Now this is a book whose history may seem written in its binding. The book is very old: it was printed many-a-year back, at the turn of the century! Naturally, with such antiquity, one expects a few imperfections. (The voice took on the tone of one passing information, arcane and valuable.) Without such flaws, the absent label, the tattered spine, the detached cover, the strongly bumped corners, one must be suspicious lest some unscrupulous collector has had the volume rebound. Such badges of honor stand as the book's guarantee of sincerity! They add character.
"But here with this book, perhaps, there is more. (The auditors could visualize Penwaggle glancing round to make certain he and his client were alone as he continued to whisper.) I ask you to mark well yon detached board. (The voice sank further.) It's possible a famous murderer is responsible for this. I mention no names, and I hope Fred doesn't notice I've pulled this book for you to see, but note how viciously the cover's been ripped off. Then too, this large stain: can you not conjecture the source of its crimson color? Further, see how the frontispiece has been torn away, taking part of the title with it, yet neatly put back in its place! Can this not be evidence of the criminal's mad passion? And for this book, quite possibly filled with historical associations unparalleled in the trade, we ask a mere trifle, thirty-seven dollars and fifty cents."
What was the stain? Tomato-soup, replied the self-satisfied Fred; and many smiled. And the book? 'Twas merely an odd volume from the Harvard Classics. This impressed the Council. And the client? Ah, that's the best part: a young, serious, enthusiastic, newly fledged bookseller from a rival society.
from mcgillicuddy the bookseller by h.c. tidian
published by:
http://www.samjohnsons.com/
however, i have a used copy of mcgillicuddy which came into my possession via one of the great poets of our time. samples of his dna are included in the handsome, hardbound cover. i'm offering this to the mouse from merced at $15, plus shipping of course, and to michael chessler for $57, shipping included, provided he rediscovers the romance of literature and restores his advertising campaign on supertopo. i can help him with his ads, which seemed rather, ah, prosaic at the beginning of the short-lived campaign, but he'll have to pay me.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
merced, california
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May 12, 2012 - 10:01am PT
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Aye, lad, but 'e'll spit in yair eye all t'same.
Auntryprennership's 'is game, your purse's 'is aim.
Stick with poetry.
Free advice, but you know what they say. I just can't remember.
"But it's free..."--Jimmy Fallon
Fifteen, eh? Plus? Gotta think on it.
Rule one in used bookselling: no impulse buying.
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AE
climber
Boulder, CO
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Sep 25, 2012 - 09:48pm PT
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Mixed messages herein, summarized by "Die, Capitalist Pig"
But Chessler, being one of a dying breed, is obviously not a Romney clone, but a struggling small scale businessman trying to hang on in a marginal niche.
As for the rest of you, well, I have for decades suspected that the ugliest truth about a number of climbers, especially the most rabidly anti-capitalist, is they actually have never displayed any marketable skills, or revealed exactly how they have survived all these decades with no apparent visible means of support.
I mean, really, WTF have full-time bloggers like Werner or Piton Ron, Locker, etc. done to earn an honest living? Todd Skinner used to go back to the ranch for a few months at a time, then scrounged like a frugal dog to make ends meet; John Sherman actually has a degree, smarts, and the ability to live out of a (albeit nice) van when he wasn't working the oil rig gig.
Nothing worse than a rich trust-funder ragging on someone trying to make an HONEST living.
by the way, Locker, you lied -
Jan 3, 2012 - 08:59am PT
"First and ONLY post..."
we should be so lucky.
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