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Forest
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If the 135,000 troops in Iraq were given a free hand to take care of business, eliminate Al-Sadr, Sunni militias, and other Islamic nutcases who want you to convert this would be finished quickly. It's the fight with one hand behind the back problem, much like Vietnam.
Here we go. It's the classic "our military isn't being allowed to win" BS line that the right wingers pull out whenever one of their stupid ideas doesn't work out the way they thought it would. MacArthur said the same thing when he wasn't allowed to nuke China during the Korean War after his incompetent military tactics didn't work out there.
My, but we've come a long way from Dick Cheney's visions of being "welcomed as liberators," haven't we?
You guys'll never learn, I guess. Americans will not sustain a state of perpetual war. Anything longer than it took to win WWII, and you're outa there. Time to try something new. You can see this from the recent poll numbers. Most Americans no longer view Iraq as being part of any "war on Terrorism" at all. Most Americans view the invasion of Iraq as a mistake. But you keep beating that war drum. It'll do wonders for you in November.
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Matt
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that was also true in each of the last 2 elections!
and yes, of course, there is simply not enough blood on the hands of american soldiers in iraq, that is clearly the problem w/ our strategery over there, how could i have missed that?
thanks goodness we have "couerageous" americans like you to beat the war drum from your comfortable suburban home, where no war will ever touch you. your comprehension of these complex world affairs is truely "un-believable".
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Matt
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look at what i have learned from some zit faced dipshit whop can read bumperstickers from po-dunk no-where!
"never forget!"
i love it, a saying that allows anyone to believe it implies anything they want it to!
never forgive those w/ brown skin!
no rights for anyone who is not just like us!
white or right!
with us or against us!
so let's protect ourselves at all costs!
let's go get mexico!
and canada too!
we need safety from terror, and are borders are at risk!
listen up you dumb f*#king little asswipe kid, we will still be in iraq when you are 17. you want to "never forget" 9/11 and you want to buy into the lies that began and still perpetuate that war effort? fin, then put ytour moneyt whjere your mouth is! i will personally fly to NY, and come to your home, and apologize, from my knees, to you and your ridiculous, worthless, idiot of a father, if and when you voluntarily sign up to defend your country in the united states armed services, and request immediate assignment in iraq.
never forget
where is your "couerage", young man?
what do you stand for?
or are you all talk?
and who is the as#@&%e?
thanks for playing, junior, now go outside and kill some (more) defenseless wild animals.
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Forest
Trad climber
Tucson, AZ
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You must have missed all of the cheering crowds that the media filmed right after Saddam was ousted, Bush and Co. did make a mistake in not eliminating Al-Sadr and others in a ruthless campaign. A vote for republicans in Nov. '06 is a vote for a larger conflict to finish the job in Iran and Syria.
You mean the staged toppling of Saddam's statue? http://newstandardnews.net/content/index.cfm/items/641
Strangely, it's overshadowed in my memory by the almost immediate IED attacks against US forces everywhere in Iraq. Obviously, some folks were happy to see Saddam gone. Somehow that didn't equate to the cake-walk Cheney expected. If you really believe the US was "welcomed as liberators" I have to assume that you've watched nothing other than fox news footage for the last 3 years.
On another note, here's a fun blog entry. This is the type of guy you GOP'ers better be really worried about in November: "Bush Is Playing Afghanistan Like A Bad Chess Game... And Losing" http://blogcritics.org/archives/2006/09/06/025932.php
There's no appetite, nor the US armed forces necessary, to invade Iran or Syria. Hell, we can't even keep our sh#t together in Iraq and Afghanistan.
You've blown it and you're going down.
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Matt
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"You must have missed all of the cheering crowds that the media filmed right after Saddam was ousted"
i didn't miss anything, i just am smart enough to know a CIA driven con job when i see one, same as the photo-opp of the toppled SH statue was revealed (see original post in this very thread), it's clear where the attention was of those whou ought to have focused on protecting the museuems and the ammo dumps!
dimwit...
"Bush and Co. did make a mistake in not eliminating Al-Sadr and others in a ruthless campaign.
no doubt our lack of heavy handedness is exactly why we failed ti win the hearts and minds of the iraqi people!
A vote for republicans in Nov. '06 is a vote for a larger conflict to finish the job in Iran and Syria."
that much we agree upon.
good luck selling that one!
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Matt
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ragmeat and fratguy, sittin in a tree...
(what perfect "bedfellows" (eh-hem) the two of you really do make, i certainly hope you "enjoy eachother's comraderie"!)
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Matt
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Apr 23, 2007 - 03:21am PT
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what w/ someone posting around here again, can i get a bump-bump?
yep, we peace-niks were all wrong, and this pre-emptive, elective war was always a great idea...
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Patrick Sawyer
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Originally California now Ireland
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Apr 23, 2007 - 08:26am PT
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Matt, don’t encourage what’s his name. He has shown that he hasn't learned anything and is still the little turd that he is.
However, it appears that Jody is back and that is no bad thing.
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bachar
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Mammoth Lakes, CA
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Apr 23, 2007 - 10:10am PT
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Wild Bill
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Ca
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Apr 23, 2007 - 11:35am PT
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You all are f*cking hippie peaceniks . . .
Someone stop me
"Good boy"
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Wild Bill
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Ca
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Apr 23, 2007 - 11:42am PT
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For those of you who voted for bush in 2000, you were misguided. Gore was a lump, you were a Republican, and in the end you had no choice.
But those of you who voted for Bush in 2004 are directly to blame for the horrific state of things today. Please report directly to your nearest Armed Forces recruiting center. You are needed.
The rest of you - amidst the massacres, the American Idol drama, and the NBA playoffs - please do not lose sight of the important things: Gay marriage bad, abortion bad, gun control bad, corporate responsibility bad, exposing presidential criminal conduct bad.
Now get back to work.
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Wild Bill
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Ca
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Apr 23, 2007 - 11:48am PT
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ROTFLMFAO!
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L
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NoName City and It Don't Look Pretty
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Apr 23, 2007 - 11:55am PT
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JB & WB--Thank you profusely for my morning laugh! Those photos are priceless.
Now we simply await the Clown Troll with her one-trick pony...)
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L
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NoName City and It Don't Look Pretty
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Apr 23, 2007 - 11:58am PT
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DMT...The Mystery is Solved. Now I think I understand why Jody and you don't see eye to eye.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Arid-zona
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Apr 23, 2007 - 12:09pm PT
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OK I'm ready!! I admit it!!
I WAS WRONG!!!
Things have gone much, much worse than I feared.
Hell, even my grandmother, who at age 82 is one of the fiercest partisan Republicans you'll ever meet wishes that we had never gone in to Iraq and we had just left Saddam in power.
P.s.- You're right Fatty. If we'd killed a few hundred thousand more civilians the Iraqis would have accepted us as "liberators." The problem was that we didn't bother to establish...what's that word....um....oh right...SECURITY. And then the neocon fanatics they recruited to put together a government were so scornful of the idea of actually providing services that they cocked up the rest of it pretty good too.
Lesson: Don't send people who are scornful of government to establish a government.
Furthermore: Don't elect people who are scornful of government to run YOUR government.
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HighDesertDJ
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Arid-zona
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Apr 23, 2007 - 12:31pm PT
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He was also fighting a very different war in a very different time with very different politics. If you are trying to defeat a country its different than trying to defeat a government. Ruhtlessness does not easily beget democracy....and that applies to those on the giving AND the receiving end.
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Forest
Trad climber
Tucson, AZ
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Apr 23, 2007 - 12:55pm PT
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It's amazing to me that after six years of a failed policy, neocons can somehow claim that the reason the policy has failed is because it wasn't "enough' of what they wanted to do. I don't get it. You had complete control of everything for 6 years. You could do whatever you wanted. it failed. "Stupidity is trying the same thing over and over and expecting different results." Something like that. Admit you were wrong and move on. Where did that quote come from?
And to say that Rumsfeld wanted more troops is just a bunch of revisionist BS and you know it, Fatty. He was the primary voice calling for a small, light, reduced force. He said it over and over and over again. He was sec of defense. He got what he wanted.
But none of these facts will get in the way of believing what you want to believe, I guess, since you like to think of yourself as "connected" or something...
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Arid-zona
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Apr 23, 2007 - 12:55pm PT
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I don't if you noticed or not but the "war" was over in May 2003. It was the "democracy" part that they jacked. It is silly to think this is the same conflict we were fighting then.
Also, to quote from ages of wisdom...."All generalizations are wrong, though some may be useful."
We fought the war, we got it over with, thus the Mission Successful banner. Our country is now deciding whether or not to commit to a long term intervention in a civil war.
I hope that the people who actually come up with policy in the Neocon Wingnut department don't get all their ideas from the History channel.
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L
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NoName City and It Don't Look Pretty
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Apr 23, 2007 - 01:12pm PT
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"L perhaps you could explain it to me sometime then?"--DMT
Dingus...I think it's simply because you have blue eyes and he has brown.
The eye-color thing has been a huge source of conflict between people and peoples since man first stopped dragging his knuckles and bumbled his way upright.
Brother has fought brother over it. Neighbors have killed each other because of it. Tribes have massacred tribes over it. And as you can see, countries are still going to war over this enormous and life-threatening bane to mankind: the difference in eye color.
I'm not sure what to tell you, Dingus...we've been fighting over this thing our entire history and changing that programming would be virtually impossible at this point.
Peacemakers have suggested wearing Blues Brothers glasses 24/7 to make us all alike, but that's rather impractical in the low-light northern climes.
The new colored contact lenses offered a ray of hope initially...but then one would occasionally pop out and the person with one brown eye and one blue eye was instantly killed on the spot by both brown-eyed people and blue-eyed people.
I'm really sorry, Dingus...there are just no easy answers where eye color is concerned.
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