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Port
Trad climber
San Diego
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Sep 12, 2012 - 04:20pm PT
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If you are open enough to ask this question, then you will begin to see that yes, it could have been. From there, the idea is to investigate whether or not it was.
You also need to ask if the Spaghetti monster did it. Or how about the French. They could have done it. Investigate EVERYONE! maybe Werner did it. He should be investigated too.
And of course, everyone gets to play expert. It'll be so much fun!
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Sep 12, 2012 - 04:41pm PT
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Well, there were scientific studies done on what happened. On both WTC 7 and the Twin Towers. Certainly one can say that those were part of a cover-up, but that doesn't necessarily make it true.
This documentary has engineers and demolition experts detailing why the investigation was a flawed whitewash
http://video.cpt12.org/video/2270078138
The evidence makes saying the investigation was a cover-up, not just happy or sad talk. Getting rid of the evidence is a cover-up and not even trying to investigate an alternative to "it caught fire so it collapsed from that" is a cover-up. The official investigation even concludes it can't explain some stuff even while it says "no worries, look the other way"
and the whole 9-11 investigation was a sham as well, even the leaders of it admit they wree swayed by political consideration. I mean come on, when you admit you don't bother to follow the money, you're a either the biggest fool in the world or covering stuff up.
People just can't face the fact that our government and system is as flawed as it it so they put their head in the sand and refuse to look openly at the arguments. There are some wacko theories out there and perhaps even disinformation but that doesn't invalidate real evidence
Peace
Karl
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Sep 12, 2012 - 04:53pm PT
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So if it was a big heinous conspiracy why did they wait until it was fully evacuated?
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zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
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Sep 12, 2012 - 04:59pm PT
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"it takes months, therefore this event must have been planned in advance"
Just about says it all.
There was a plan (successful) to fly planes into the Twin Towers. The backup plan was to blow up WTC7 if the first plan failed so several months were spent rigging it with explosives. When the first plan succeeded, the planners thought, WTF, blow up WTC7 so all our rigging efforts would not be in vain.
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There were two groups planning independently. One, two fly planes into two buildings, the other to blow up a single building. As chance would have it the two d-days coincided.
Sounds plausible.
Urban planning run amok.
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sharperblue
Mountain climber
oakland, california
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Sep 12, 2012 - 05:01pm PT
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jeebus. Honestly, why the f*ck does anyone have any questions about this - ? what do you mean 'why' - ? the Saudis have been lying about their proven reserves for decades, and for good reason. this world and our (US) currency are both based on oil; boots-on-the-ground real-world control of the oil is all that matters; that, and preventing it's control from passing to China. that is all that flipping matters.
no one on the f-ing planet questions any of this stuff except the spoon-fed americans.
need major boots on the ground in the ME; ergo: justify 'war'. the end. turn off the retard box and read your history or have a chat with a DC-based attorney sometime. there has ever been only one strategy since John D enabled the modern western world with regards to the ME: Divide and Conquer. Set Sunni against Shiite (sorry, you thought the 'arab spring' was spontaneous?) step in and clean up. we and our allies get the cheap oil, the arms guys have a wet dream, ancient hatreds are perpetuated, the media pushes the message of choice, the poor kids from the south and inner cities get their legs blown off, and the banks loan the money to enable the operation. frankly, the western intelligence agencies are balls-to-the-wall badasses for pulling this off. sucks many innocent people were collateral. i assure you those guys sleep well at night.
there is nothing you can do about this. US politics on a Federal level have been a joke since Eisenhower. get over it and get on with your lives.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Sep 12, 2012 - 06:01pm PT
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You also need to ask if the Spaghetti monster did it.
Some folks are just too smart for their own britches.
Yes, the Spaghetti monster.
Because it's a well-know fact that the monster, like controlled demolition, has been know to take down buildings, and there are signs everywhere that that is just what did it.
Mind if I call you a schmuck?
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Sep 12, 2012 - 06:06pm PT
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Or could they have moved out of the emergency center because it was to close to large buildings penetrated with airplanes?
Actually, I stand corrected--they moved out after the first plane hit, but before the second.
I suppose that might be a reason. But to me, it doesn't seem like it would have been a big enough threat to move our of the bunker that was designed for just such an indecent. Remember, it housed all the communication controls.
Think about it. Would you have moved out of that bunker just because a tower was hit by a plane? I know I probably would not have, given that the bunker was build for just that type of episode.
To me it's suspicious. To you, it's exactly what a coward might do.
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Batrock
Trad climber
Burbank
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Sep 12, 2012 - 07:00pm PT
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BES,st
Any fireman laughing at the scene of a tragic incident is not suspicious IMO, I have been in some pretty hairy situations in my career from dodging drive by shooting rounds in South Central LA, climbing out a window to save my ass at fires and jumping off roofs during roof collapse at a fire and I can honestly say a few of those incidents had me laughing or rather smiling and shaking my head in disbelief at what was happening to me and realizing that I was most likely going to survive. My wife gets pissed at me sometimes because I have a smile on my face while describing some horenous incident I went on during my shift. I think it's a coping mechanism more than anything. I have seen that shot of th chief running and can relate.
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WBraun
climber
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Sep 12, 2012 - 08:41pm PT
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Commercial airliners have strobes.
None on the so called flights into the WTC towers.
Ho man .... they'll now have to Photoshop those in also to make sure all the sheep remain in the corral with Popular Mechanics ......
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Sep 12, 2012 - 08:49pm PT
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i will get right on the photoshop work.
i will also show a little more debris headed to WTC7 just to make ti look a bit better.
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Jaytee
Trad climber
U.K.
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Sep 12, 2012 - 09:08pm PT
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"So-called flights into the WTC". WTF? So you believe a missile flew into the Pentagon, and dont believe planes flew into the World Trade Centres? And you think we're all weird?
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Sep 12, 2012 - 09:20pm PT
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Werner, you're not Juan de Fuca. But it is a good try!
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Sep 12, 2012 - 09:42pm PT
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What about the people that died when their plane hit the Pentagon?
Good question Dr. F.
However, just because many folks don't believe the official story put forth by the 9-11 Commission doesn't mean they know the answer to questions such as these.
For this reason, there are thousands of people who want a real investigation into 9-11.
Now, here's a question for you: Why did Bush have to be forced into creating the 9-11 Commission?
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Jaytee
Trad climber
U.K.
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Sep 12, 2012 - 09:55pm PT
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"Questions such as these". K-man, putting aside our little bad-tempered exchange from a while ago, there is no question. They died in the crash. Their relatives will attest to that if you contact them. Why not research that?
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Kalimon
Trad climber
Ridgway, CO
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Sep 12, 2012 - 10:02pm PT
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What about the people that died when their plane hit the Pentagon?
Excellent question seeing as the plane did not hit the Pentagon! Why don't you ask Dick Cheney.
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Jaytee
Trad climber
U.K.
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Sep 12, 2012 - 10:10pm PT
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Kalimon - why don't you ask the relatives of those who died in that plane what they believe?
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Sep 12, 2012 - 10:11pm PT
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They died in the crash. Their relatives will attest to that if you contact them.
The relatives of those on the plane might attest that those passengers were killed that day. This I certainly believe could be true.
Yet still, I still don't believe the official story. And you know something--many of the folks whose loved ones died that day don't believe it either.
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Kalimon
Trad climber
Ridgway, CO
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Sep 12, 2012 - 10:14pm PT
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Jaytee, you clearly did not understand my comment.
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Jaytee
Trad climber
U.K.
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Sep 12, 2012 - 10:15pm PT
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Evidence K-man? Interviews with such doubting relatives of those who died in that crash?
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Sep 12, 2012 - 10:18pm PT
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Jaytee, I don't have evidence, and neither do you. How on Earth is somebody who was not on the plane, nor nowhere near it after it left the airport, going to know what actually happened to it.
Yes, for a second there I bet you thought you were pretty smart.
BTW, ever heard of the Jersey Girls? Without them, Bush would have never formed the 9.11 Commission:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jersey_Girls
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