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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Step down from the high-horse.
Pretentious
F*#k off!
That is is why I refuse to go. If you expect me to to log-in hours I pick up trash, have fun, I won't be there.
Some people pay their dues on weekends when there is PAID camping. Some of us buy Eagle-passes for year-long camping. See above what Khanom said. They're exploiting free labor for DNC laziness.
And that's fine. I just won't be party to it. Essentially they're hiring people for $20/day to do their heavy lifting and trash pickup. Why not just hire wetbacks???
(yeah, the political insensitivity was intentional, because it's relevant).
Oh I know why they don't do that, because a bunch of feel-good, do-gooders couldn't feel like they were 'helping the environment' if illegals were employed for sub-standard wages.
Meh...I hope you guys guys feel 'empowered'. You're so caring for the environment......
EDIT: No offense, Ken. You seemed like a cool guy when I met you once.
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nature
climber
back in Tuscon Aridzona....
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Ken,
thanks for the update. I'm sure most of us hate to squack about the form and what not. I called MisterE last night to try and pose some questions - hoping for answers sooner than later.
I'm considering trying to do sushi but there's something telling me I might be better served to give up on the idea.
I have to be in Tacoma the weekend prior to the wedding and event. It means I need to drive from Tucson to Fresno the week prior, park my truck (and maybe sushi trailer), catch a plane for the weekend and get back in sunday night. There's no way I can pull of the drive from Tucson.
oh well... whatever happens happens.
as always thanks for the effort!
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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I might bail too.
Sully, that could be a good weekend to hit Wamello or the Shuteye....I'll do a TacoFest out there.
Eric, I didn't propose to put words in yer mouth. Maybe I misunderstood...
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jstan
climber
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Like I said Blue. Have fun wherever you decide to go. Even apart from what you remarked upon, you have probably had as much of the Valley as you need. Definitely good for you to enjoy something else.
If there is room in my pack i am going to bring up a respirator Roger can use on the bobcat. The NPS may not have one handy. He really needs to avoid breathing dust like he did last year. Not so good. I used to think respirators were a pain. But once I had used them a bit they were pretty easy. And they really get the stuff out of the air.
The NPS being unable to handle the camping as was planned suggests there may be staffing problems. As I remember last year Ken had difficulty getting enough camping spaces. We even spent the first night at Tamarack Flat. It was lovely but the commute would have made it difficult. If there are staffing problems in the NPS, Ken may have to adjust and may need more help from us.
PT just back from Whitney region. It is true. The agencies are being cut back to the point of their destruction. So our volunteering to preserve our country's parks is more needed than ever before.
Something this big and this important is just plain difficult. There is no easy perfect way. Looking for one is a waste of time.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 1, 2011 - 11:54pm PT
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The camping is always the biggest pain to deal with
So everybody, try to make the YCA's job easier. Be specific about when you plan to arrive and leave, commit to helping, and live up to what you say. And don't change your mind at the last minute. The more definite you are, the better.
I haven't looked at the on-line form yet, but it's quite possible that the NPS that has asked for "proof" that people who get free camping are volunteering each day. Bear in mind that no one is looking over your shoulder. Also, there is a fair amount of administrative and infrastructure work that needs to be done in addition to the cleanup itself. The cleanup may be the most visible, and 90% of the total effort, but an event involving 2,500+ volunteer days over five days, with large events each night, doesn't just happen by itself. Bluering, JEleazarian and FatTrad should check with Ken, but the last few years your BBQ has been a by donation fundraiser for the FaceLift and the YCA, and it seems to me ought to count as 'volunteer' effort.
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justthemaid
climber
Jim Henson's Basement
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Thanks for the clarification Ken. Much appreciated!
PS- Anders- Filling out the reservation form is easy. Figuring out how to copy and relink it back into an e-mail when your computer is isn't copacetic with the set-ups offered is the part that makes it a PIA.
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Jingy
climber
Somewhere out there
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Best Child Actor Nominations anyone?
I got someone in mind.
Hey, I hate to point out what volunteerism means, but it seems that at least one of us needs the reminder (without getting all racial, neither!):
vol·un·teer
[vol-uhn-teer] Show IPA
–noun
1.
a person who voluntarily offers himself or herself for a service or undertaking.
2.
a person who performs a service willingly and without pay.
3.
Military . a person who enters the service voluntarily rather than through conscription or draft, especially for special or temporary service rather than as a member of the regular or permanent army.
My suggestion? Volunteer for duty in the military.
Face it blue, the only reason some people go to the facelift is to get a free site, make out big on the booze and party with friends , and never really get around the volunteer part while they go off climbing with friends, not that there's anything wrong with that.
But seeing things from a different point of view may give some perspective:
If you wanted to put together an event with anyone friendly to climbing, hiking, and general good times, and wanted to have it all happen in one of the finest locations on the planet, you might have to promise a little something for the "free" part of the "free camping", in one of the greatest places on the planet, yosemite. Where, you and I know, the corporations in America want to make a buck through privatization (and if the repubs get their way, everything, including Yosemite will be privatized).
So, when Ken puts together an event this big, with this many people, in this place, and he doesn't have anyone to pick up a few pieces of trash... How many of these events do you think "the powers that be" are going to be willing to let him throw?
What else happens when this event is happening?
Oh, yeah, that's right, other people not connected with the facelift are in the park too. Families, just as self righteous as you/yours are all over the place, all around the park, and they are willing to pay to get the spots Ken has been given so that he can give them to those who volunteer for the facelift....
tie the high-horse out in front of the bar.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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2011 Yosemite Facelift - September 21-25 Volunteer Campground Reservation Form
Thank you for participating in the Yosemite Facelift! This form will help us keep the process of campground reservations for Facelift volunteer participants as smooth as possible. All fields MUST be filled out in order for the form to be considered complete. Also, submitting a campground reservation form does not guarantee your reservation, you must submit this form and wait for a confirmation email. Once you receive your site confirmation email, you're good to go! Please note that it maytake several weeks before you receive a confirmation email. We appreciate your patience!
The NPS has generously donated a certain number of campsites for people volunteering for the Facelift. In order to receive a free campsite during the event, one must volunteer the following number of hours for each night of camping:
1 night of free camping= 3 hours of volunteer service
2 nights of free camping= 6 hours of volunteer service
3 nights of free camping= 9 hours of volunteer service
4 nights of free camping= 12 hours of volunteer service
...and so on (3 hours of volunteer work for each night of free camping)
Please check here if you and all of those requesting campsites on this form agree to volunteer for the required time:
Most of the campsites that have been assigned to volunteers for this event hold 6 people and 2 cars. If there are less than 6 people in your group, you will be sharing a site with other event participants.
1. Please list the first and last names of all of those in your party requesting free campsites:
We have designated Facelift Volunteer Camping in the following campsites:
Yellow Pine (Yosemite Valley) Camp 4 (Yosemite Valley) Tamarack Flat, on Tioga Road (45 minute drive from Yosemite Valley) Crane Flat, on Tioga Road (35 minute drive from Yosemite Valley) Tuolumne Meadows
2. Campground Preference. Please list your top 3 choices (#1 is your first choice):
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3. Campground arrival and departure dates. Please note that campgrounds are available for check-in on Tuesday, September 20th and check out on Monday, September 26th. However, if you are assisting Ken with event set-up and take-down and have approved that with him, he has limited sites in Camp 4 and Yellow Pine before and after the event (checking in no earlier than Saturday, September 17th and checking out no later than Tuesday, September 27th.
Preferred Campground check-in
Preferred Campground check-out
Check here if you will be assisting Ken with event set-up and clean-up (and have his approval)
Check here if you are interested in being an archaeological site monitor during the event (which requires training on September 20th)
Current Date:
Once this form is complete, please click the button to the right to save and then email as an attachment to:
yosemitefaceliftcamping@hotmail.com.
For additional info, please visit www.yosemiteclimbing.org or find us on Facebook!
For the technically savvy...
The file that is made from this form is: 2011_Facelift_Campground_Reservation_Form.xml
it looks like this when I open it with a text editor:
<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
<form1>
<TextField1>Ed Hartouni</TextField1>
<TextField2>Yellow Pines
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 ; Camp 4
 ; 
 ;Tuolumne Meadows</TextField2>
<CheckBox1> 1</CheckBox1>
<TextField2> 9/20/2011</TextField2>
<TextField2> 9/25/2011</TextField2>
<CheckBox1> 0</CheckBox1>
<CheckBox1> 1</CheckBox1>
</form1>
note that you cannot just copy and paste the above text since I had to replace the brackets with < = "<" and > = ">" type in all of the characters from your keyboard...
if you view this post as "source" you'll see what I did...
the email is sent:
To: yosemitefaceliftcamping@hotmail.com
Subject: Campground Reservation Form
the .xml file above is attached as the first line of the email, the second and subsequent lines are:
The attached file contains data that was entered into a form. It is not the form itself.
The recipient of this data file should save it locally with a unique name. Adobe Acrobat Professional 7 or later can process this data by importing it back into the blank form or creating a spreadsheet from several data files. See Help in Adobe Acrobat Professional 7 or later for more details.
hopefully that would work...
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 2, 2011 - 01:02am PT
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It took little time or effort to complete, save and send in the form, and I was able to do so using a five year old computer with nothing fancy in the way of programs etc.
Three hours/day of "volunteer service" are fine with me - as mentioned, volunteer service can mean a lot of things, all necessary for a safe and successful event.
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JOEY.F
Gym climber
It's not rocket surgery
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Going for a print, scan, send method. Can't make the page work. OTOH, super psyched!!!
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
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Blue - I think you are "seeing" the camping thing from a perspective that is about "you," when really... it's not.
It really angered me, the times I sat next to people at the fire who had zero intention of participating in any way other than to show up last minute to stick name in the drawing box, and then see them later having a friend pour beers into their personal cup so as not to have that expense. never once picking up even so much as a cigarette but in the campground. But sure to get THEIR crap first inside a convenient bear box and then bitch if someone else moves it over son they can share the box...
There are grifters and THAT is why the "rules." As someone once told me: Rules are made for people who need rules.
You don't need the rules? You "do the right thing" without it. That's GREAT! But for every one of you, there is one who grifts. THOSE are who the rules are for.
You're certainly entitled to your opinion, but I think you are taking it waaaay too personally.
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jstan
climber
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PT just back from the Whitney region. She decided going to trail crest on Friday was not a good idea. Met a Korean gentleman who had been abandoned with no tent, map,reading glasses, or even a water bottle when all the others went high, probably to be pulled off by helicopter. The rangers said people all over back there had no tents.
Oh yes. I speculated that the NPS probably has a staffing problem caused by the budget mess. Yes this is happening. The agencies are being cut back to the point of their destruction.
Jeff:
From the start Ken has contacted schools, newspapers, companies, and organizations to get the word out. He has done a very complete and professional job.
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SCseagoat
Trad climber
Santa Cruz
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Copy complete scan attach to email worked for me. Come on folks we're used to managing cluster fks. Susan
I heard the volunteer accountability thingy was a Republican requirement.
"hold the Facelift volunteers accountable Act".
Or
"more hours in volunteerism than camping hours"
It's the new way of doing business.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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2.
a person who performs a service willingly and without pay.
Well the TacoFest would certainly fall under that perview, although it's not sanctioned by the YCA. Have you ever eaten any of the free food I dole out, for FREE?
Blue - I think you are "seeing" the camping thing from a perspective that is about "you," when really... it's not.
It really angered me, the times I sat next to people at the fire who had zero intention of participating in any way other than to show up last minute to stick name in the drawing box, and then see them later having a friend pour beers into their personal cup so as not to have that expense. never once picking up even so much as a cigarette but in the campground. But sure to get THEIR crap first inside a convenient bear box and then bitch if someone else moves it over son they can share the box...
There are grifters and THAT is why the "rules." As someone once told me: Rules are made for people who need rules.
You don't need the rules? You "do the right thing" without it. That's GREAT! But for every one of you, there is one who grifts. THOSE are who the rules are for.
You're certainly entitled to your opinion, but I think you are taking it waaaay too personally.
That's a good point Happie, and there are those types. TheY are dirtbags. I don't consider myself one.
I HATE volunteering for garbage pickup at the Facelift. I do it privately all the time, on every outing in Yosemite, or wherever. The main reason I attend Facelift is THE FREE CAMPING (because getting a site in the Valley is VERY hard nowadays even if you wanna pay, which I'm willing to do. It ain't a money thing. It's site availability thing.)
The other reason I go is because it's the biggest gathering of TacoHeads every year, and yeah, I like to party with my people.
What I have tried to do is offer back to the 'community' free dinners for everyone who shows up until the food runs out, AT NO COST TO THEM!!!! That's why we had so many people last year, apparently word got out.
Also, I never attend the raffles (I can afford my own gear and am not a dirtbag), only attend slideshows when forced to by Fatty and Ed, and never go to the free-alcohol events. I bring my own, man!
All I want is a place to park legally and crash and party with my homies. I'll even cook up a meal or three!
Again, this is turning into an unpleasant event....But have fun.
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Captain...or Skully
climber
or some such
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Andy is Wise. And doesn't keep score.
Doubly wise, that one.
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nature
climber
back in Tuscon Aridzona....
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Happiegrrrl is wise.
yup... and blue continues to show why he sucks ass.
blue.... go away. forget us and all that actually care.
seriously.
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Captain...or Skully
climber
or some such
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Hey, we can't rage at the Deli, so it's the next best thing.
Walt wouldn't stand for it, though. Oh, no.
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Pennsylenvy
Gym climber
A dingy corner in your refrigerator
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Looking forward to the facelift. Would like to do one of the full day larger projects. Go out with great people, have fun and get some sheet done. Not much time this trip; will need balance to climb enough. My plan is to get out earlier (not do the group climb thing). I will need a partner of like mind. If you are him or her let me know. Climb a couple good days, work a couple. Dress up for the wedding, and make a fool of myself again.
Hopefully we can all celebrate and camp together. Bluering,you have a much smoother delivery in person. We should get a DD one day, drink some beer and see if we can find the nastiest biologically hazardous waste. What a blast it would be! You game? Tim
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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I'm just a lurker these days, but that drew me out of posting retirement. What hubris.
Sorry for being honest. I can only make it weekends since having a kid, otherwise my wife is stuck at home looking after a 3-year old by herself, all day and all night.
That gives essentially gives me one day, Saturday, to do anything. If you think I'm taking a weekend off to spend a day picking up trash in Yosemite without climbing, you're crazy. And yeah, I guess that means I "suck ass", as Doug so eloquently put it.
Whatever.
Maybe when my son gets older I can bring him. He'd probably dig cruising around, picking stuff up.
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