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ryanb
climber
Seattle, WA
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Aug 17, 2008 - 03:14pm PT
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7562840.stm
Food for fuel: Olympian Phelps' unusual diet (10,000 calories on a training day)
Eat more, train more. Once you get into the cycle its easier to keep it going then to let it drop off. But give your self time to recover when you need it. I've got a bad cold at the moment and am forcing myself to sit still for several consecutive days for the first time in months...going vaguely stir crazy.
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Billy
climber
Boston, Ma
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 18, 2008 - 08:35am PT
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coz - love the attitude. I'me not a world-class anything right now, but definitely makes the idea more than possible.
Sorry there haven't been any updates this weekend. I didn't make it out to climb, nor did I make it to the gym. Very disappointing weekend. I blame myself for the waste of time, and I need to really stop effin around and get serious. Real disappointed in myself. Just wanted to explain my absence a little bit.
Anyway, hopefully the next post will be better news.
Thanks guys.
-Billy
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Roman
Trad climber
Boston
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Aug 18, 2008 - 09:10am PT
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Billygoat said: "Maybe it's because you go to REI instead of a shop where someone can sell you good gear attached to great advice."
I'm sure it's where I shop bro. Totally. I can't wait to get to my locally owned climbing shop and get a nice set of "Climb EZ's" so that I can fly my 195 lbs ass up a big wall with as much free as possible... Sorry bro but some things take time and I am a competitive oly. weightlifter and have to train 5 days / wk 2 hours / day. Thanks for the shitty comment though!
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Billy
climber
Boston, Ma
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 18, 2008 - 01:54pm PT
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This is so weird.
I'm having an awful day, incidentally. I'm really beating myself for this wasted weekend. Feel pretty fat and useless. And when I look at pictures of El Cap now, I just feel dread looking at it. Like it's a big dude who's going to come beat me up. Before I was scared, excited, a little dizzy.
Now I just feel like it's for other people. Like it's impossible. Totally sucks. Hoping the gym erases this feeling tonight. We'll see.
Geh. I sound like such a girl! (Sorry, girls.)
Peace.
-Billy
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Roman
Trad climber
Boston
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Aug 18, 2008 - 02:22pm PT
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Keep your head up dude.
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Rhodo-Router
Gym climber
Otto, NC
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Aug 18, 2008 - 02:53pm PT
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Learning to work through that feeling is one of the most valuable skills for getting up big-ass chunks of rock.
As well as a pretty handy life skill in general.
Today's free, unsolicited advice:
Find a tree. Hang from it. Learn to haul stuff.
cheers Billy=
Rob
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'Pass the Pitons' Pete
Big Wall climber
like Oakville, Ontario, Canada, eh?
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Aug 18, 2008 - 03:46pm PT
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Hmmmmmmm. There are inconsistencies in his posts that suggest he's trolling, for instance his alleged unfamiliarity with really basic stuff. The fact that he can spell and write coherently certainly suggests he's smart, and you do need to be smart to climb a big wall. He could well be a troll. But if he's trolling, he genuinely needs to get a life because he has invested way too much effort in it.
I'm thinking he's probably legit, though. His responses are suggestive of a Young Bull who believes he wants something, but his responses suggest he is too lazy to seek out the answers himself [for example, what aid climbing is] so he asks here. If you want to succeed on a big wall, you have to be willing to do the work yourself.
Got any frequent flyer points, Billy? Perhaps we could come to some sort of arrangement. Much less expensive than buying all your own gear to climb a big wall on El Cap, which is a staggering investment. Plus your success and safety is more strongly assured, though there is always ample opportunity to end up dead, which is no fun.
Incidentally, every angler knows that "trolling" is a fishing term, and has nothing to do with little men who live under bridges. To troll is to drag an artificial lure through the water, and to see which fish are attracted to it. The fish that bite become hooked. I could even be one of them.
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jstan
climber
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Aug 18, 2008 - 03:52pm PT
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pfft
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Billy
climber
Boston, Ma
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 18, 2008 - 04:04pm PT
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I am familiar with the term "trolling" in fishing. I eventually Googled the term as it applies to web forums, and found out what it meant.
I aked about basic terms on the forum rather than Googling, because when a person tells you something, you get a lot of lateral information that you can't get from a definition on a website. Also, the interactions that I have been a part of (and witnessed) in the forum have taught me a lot about the people who climb and climbing culture.
Lazy? That hurts. And I definitely have a life...
But your point is well taken. I could do more research on my own, I guess.
Sorry to rant. It's been an awful day so far.
-Billy
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'Pass the Pitons' Pete
Big Wall climber
like Oakville, Ontario, Canada, eh?
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Aug 18, 2008 - 04:10pm PT
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All right, then. Shut up and climb.
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ryanb
climber
Seattle, WA
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Aug 18, 2008 - 08:36pm PT
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Dude you got it. Just got to stop worrying about the big picture and keep putting one foot in front of the other.
Try and get to the climbing gym/crag ~3 times in the next week. This sport is addicting and its easier to stay motivated once your hooked.
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Roger Breedlove
climber
Cleveland Heights, Ohio
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Aug 18, 2008 - 08:44pm PT
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Hey, Billy,
A couple of folks have noted that with a big goal like "Lurking Fear" it easy to get put off. Tomorrow is always a new day. All of us have had bad days and sometimes they have too big of an influence on longer-term goals. Nevertheless, part of what you will get out of following through with this is developing discipline-that is part of the skill that is needed to get up “Lurking Fear.”
And please, keep posting. I think it is cool that you decided to climb El Cap with nothing more than a sense of adventure. We all respect that. I hope that you are keeping a good diary--with your ease of writing and easy manner, it will make a great story.
All the best, Roger
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Social climber
valley center, ca
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Aug 18, 2008 - 11:10pm PT
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Billy,
If you really are in earnest then you CAN make your dream happen, despite your up and down feelings.
I know because I DID. If I did it anyone can. (Middle aged female here)
I had a serious...horrific life changing event @ 8 months ago. About 4 months after the event decided to channel my energy into rock climbing.
And it is Happening. Rock climbing is going great and so loving it. .... Thanks to friends who have taken me out on the rock and alot of work and focus on my part.
You don't know what you can do til you Focus and Try. If a Life Goal comes to your inner being go with it no matter how crazy it may seem at times.
All the well meaning posts to you are superior, Billy. Want you to know that Roger Breedlove was one of the first posts to me when I joined Super Topo @ January. He was a major contributor to helping me deal with my loss and encouraging me onto a new life and challenges.
Sincerely, Lynne
ps Listen to the good stuff, Billy, and DO IT.
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Dr. Rock
Ice climber
Castle Rock
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Aug 19, 2008 - 03:49am PT
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I like you, Billy.
I'm gonna give you a little advice.
There's a force in the Universe that makes things happen.
And all you have to do is get in touch with it.
Find your Center.
Hear nothing...
Feel nothing...
Stop thinking...
And be...the rope.
Just relax...
Picture it...
Turn off all the sound...
And let it happen.
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Billy
climber
Boston, Ma
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 19, 2008 - 11:40am PT
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You guys rock.
Get it?
Hit the gym so hard this morning, it hit back. Feel WAY better. It was tough because I didn't eat much yesterday. (No, I'm not manorexic, I was just wicked busy at work.) So I had a marked lack of energy, but pushed it on the elliptical.
Going trail running this weekend at Blue Hills, and then climbing in Quincy (hopefully.) And I need to buy some gear at some point. The stuff's on sale.
Not keeping a diary up to this point. I have been using this so far, really, but I think it's a great idea. 1) So that I can write things down that I don't want the whole internet knowing, and 2) So that I can stop bothering you guys with my "Had a bad day" nonsense.
To speak to that, though, I really appreciate everything that you guys wrote and said yesterday. It wasn't all Hallmark card bullsh#t, but genuine experience talking. It seems everyone has felt like garbage while planning something like this, and the only ones who are still here are the ones who pulled through. (Or in my case, were pulled through by others.)
So thanks again. Hopefully no one will be hauling me up the rock like you guys hauled me to my feet yesterday.
Down to 216, though. Six pounds since I started, so something is going right. That's six more pounds of stuff I can carry up with me now, right?
-Billy
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Roman
Trad climber
Boston
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Aug 19, 2008 - 11:50am PT
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Billy climbing aside I can probably help you get in shape quickly. I am 195 and about ....
hmmm something happened to the end of my post.....
edit: heres the rest
12% bodyfat. I train at http://www.crossfitboston.com
check it out and feel free to email with questions. Climbing as a larger man is a different bag of tricks but can totally be done.
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Nefarius
Big Wall climber
Fresno, CA
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Aug 19, 2008 - 12:39pm PT
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Coz said - "Zero to El Cap is not so hard, really.
Free climbing El Cap, may take a life time of dedication, but yarding up on gear takes about a day to teach, a day or two to hone."
`Bout f*#king time someone else starts telling it straight to this kid! What's the deal with you bunch of wankers beating up on him and doing your best to discourage him?! Seriously, the only thing that made it anywhere near as difficult as some of you guys made out to be was yourselves. As I said before, aid climbing is easy and "0 to LF in 14 months" is f*#king cake. Coz said it tons better than I did tho!
I can't believe half the crap, err total sh#t, you guys are handing this kid. He doesn't need to become a trad master, doesn't need cross training, etc. Aid is learning systems and getting on the rock, plain and simple. You guys act like he's trying for NIAD or something... Sheesh!
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WBraun
climber
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Aug 19, 2008 - 12:56pm PT
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Billy boy needs to post a real photo of himself on this thread so that we can see what we're really dealing with here.
Will you do it Billy? (Photo of yourself)
Otherwise we have no real clue to who and what you are.
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Roman
Trad climber
Boston
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Aug 19, 2008 - 01:26pm PT
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t*r while I dont fully agree that this is the issue here the concept of toxic people is surely a real and valid one.
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Roger Breedlove
climber
Cleveland Heights, Ohio
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Aug 19, 2008 - 01:27pm PT
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Hey Werner,
Are you implying that William can become the Billy he aspires to only if we can see him?
There must be a Greek antecedent to this story line of gods controlling the fate of mortals.
Areté rules; hubris dies.
Hee he, Buzz
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