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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Apr 13, 2008 - 08:40pm PT
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Ha! that does look nicer than the ATI. I will just have to make due with what I have though. I did order the Choat side scope mount as the reviews that I read for the drop in scope mounts mostly sucked. I will have to cut a slot in my stock as well as drill and tap my reciver but when I am done I will have a solid mount VS one that is just hed on by the retaining pin. Additionaly I will be able to break down the gun without removeing the scope mount.
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Doug Buchanan
Trad climber
Fairbanks Alaska
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Apr 13, 2008 - 09:22pm PT
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If I had remembered that every person should be required by law to own a .22 rifle, quite logically, I would not have forgot about us plinkers. Short term memory loss caused by ice climbing.
The human brain still retains a primitive neuron data routing creating a pleasure reaction from the physical act of throwing something to hit something out beyond arm's length, extending a primitive perception of physical influence, resulting in the common gun attraction beyond the other reasoning factors that variously do not apply.
The old only one gun people protection choice, besides a .40 SW and every other person's opinion, is a standard old .45 auto handgun (semi-auto) kept in very good condition for reliability. Common ammo. Impressive view from the muzzle end. Effective when all reasoning fails the available time.
A classic indicator of the people protection concept not requiring the shooting of people..... If 20 percent of the females belatedly figured out the absurdity of all the female type complaints about rape, and all the government lies about laws and police protecting people, that percentage of females would buy 45's (or any hand gun), and make it very openly known they carry guns. Rape rates would rapidly dwindle. Those who could not afford a gun just yet, need only display a noticeable gun organization patch, jewelry, decal or prominent illusion of carrying a gun.
Rape and all other physical force private enterprise crimes remain popular because government and too many females fool fools out of learning the KNOWLEDGE of the human brain's reactions to the perceptions of force or power.
Great day on the AlaskanAlpineClub IceTower yesterday. Fun barbecue after climbing.
Or so I might imagine.
DougBuchanan.com
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Apr 13, 2008 - 10:16pm PT
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Khanom. The problem with haveing a handgun in your van is when you travel to other states with weird laws. Your chances of going to jail and becoming a felon are probobly better than your chances of have the gun prevent a crime against you... Being somewhat gun handy with pistols I have ocasionaly thought that a new model 1860 Remington .44 cap and ball stainless replica might be a way of getting arround most of those laws. Not recomended for your average shooter though. With myself 5 shots of .44 = 5 hits in a stress situation which should be enough to adjust attitudes. For greatly improved attitude adjustment capacity a winchester riot gun with the standard stock should get arround most of the laws except the being loaded in the vehicle law? Here in VT we are allowed to have cocked and locked handguns in vehicles but long guns must be empty. I think this way because in VT I am surrounded on 3 sides by states and countrys that will put you directly in JAIL and KEEP you there if they catch you with a handgun. No biggie but if you just happen to have a pistol in the van and you drive to the Daks to go climbing all of a sudden you are looking at felony jail time. Just not worth the stress INMOP...
The shotgun on the other hand will most likly be legal in most states without the pistol grip and folding stock. keep it empty, safe and legal but it loads fast and easy if things get weird. Your #1 deterant to becomeing a victim of violent crime is to pay attention. If you are paying attention you should have time to load up if it gets weird..........
Glock is a good beginners full size auto. Easy and simple. Goes bang every time don't even have to worry about a safty. It dosen't have one. Go with the 9mm for starters, easier and cheaper to shoot. Not as much power than the .40 or .45 but much cheaper ammo so that you may actually be able to afford to practice enough to get proficiant.
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Shack
Big Wall climber
Reno NV
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Apr 14, 2008 - 12:47am PT
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Also Khanom, you can't bring a handgun into Kalifornia, unless it's on the "approved list", found here...http://certguns.doj.ca.gov/
The whole law is a scam to shakedown gun makers for money,
through a bogus "certification" program.
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Doug Buchanan
Trad climber
Fairbanks Alaska
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Apr 14, 2008 - 01:20am PT
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Verifiably on thread with which variant of the AK 47 is recommended by the Dali Lama, ice climbers, plinkers and one defense gun adventurers, notice from the immediate above and conversation pervading gun owners that all recommendations become infringed by myriads of gun laws.
WHY and HOW (each precisely) have the minds of common folk come to perceive that their reasoning-based gun (climbing or any) decisions damaging no one, must conform to illogical (damaging) decisions made by minds of the identical common folk design which were then damaged (corrupted) by stumbling into government jobs holding even petty power of office?
Your answer, if questioned, will immediately make you more usefully perceptive than all the gun organization leaders. Is there any government or organization power that does not corrupt (alter perceptions)?
After being elected as an NRA Director, with a large vote number, I repeatedly offered my fellow Directors the flawlessly verifiable knowledge of how to promptly regain gun owner rights, concurrently defeating all opposition, re-instituting "shall not be infringed" as prevailing above all 20,000 inferior US laws infringing gun owner rights.
It is just knowledge. Anyone can learn it.
But knowledge is created by asking and answering questions, some of them not what any power-damaged mind such as the Dali Lama and NRA leaders can tolerate hearing or reading.
Without asking any questions, my fellow NRA Directors acted just as did Standing Strong in comment number 139, much to my amusement. The primary NRA officers, staff and contractors derive so much money SUSTAINING the fight over gun owner rights (facilitating more anti-gun laws), they cannot tolerate even the mention of actually regaining any citizen rights.
As long as NRA, GOA and the other pro-gun organizations derive wealth from gullible gun owners who ask no effective questions, NRA and colleagues will facilitate more anti-gun laws to make NRA et. al. look more necessary among gullible gun owners with money.
Most of the cost of guns is created by illogical laws easily nullified.
I declined the opportunity for a second term on the NRA Board, and remain amused.
We discussed 50 cals while in the IceTower caves yesterday, overlooking a convoy of Army humvees along the Alaska oil pipeline road. Just an ice climber thing.
Carry on....
DougBuchanan.com
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Apr 14, 2008 - 08:01am PT
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Dude you been in alaska too long or something.. Your rambeling............
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Apr 14, 2008 - 08:23am PT
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My thought of useing replica antique firearms to get arround the laws is most likly a pipe dream. The fact that the antique is charged and capped most certainly will get their pantys in a bunch and your ass hauled off to the slammer......
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Apr 14, 2008 - 09:58am PT
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Arround here it is cut and dry. Travel south or west and you will run into Massatwoshits or NY both of which have mandatory felony one year jail terms for handguns without state permit which is wicked hard to get for out of staters. Travel north you end up in canada with obvious dificultys. Travel east and you hit NH where your handgun must be empty and in full view. Here in VT conceled carry is legal with no permit required except in Rutland and Burlington citys. Traveling cross country you should be able to get away with transporting through nasty states as long as the firearm is unloaded in a locked container seperate from the ammo and not in the passenger compartment of the vehicle as long as the wepon is legal where you came from and where your going. So you don't want to Tell barny that your headded to Yosemite as your firearm is illegal there and therefore you have no buisness transporting through his state. Either way the pistol is of no practicle use if it is stored legaly for transport.
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Doug Buchanan
Trad climber
Fairbanks Alaska
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Apr 14, 2008 - 03:47pm PT
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My good friend TradManClimbs and all.......
Beware the rambler from distant places. He brings new knowledge. Knowledge is feared by people trained to consider so few words that any more are called rambling.
At the same time the Alaska legislature adopted (imposed) the NRA supported concealed carry permit law for handguns in Alaska, requiring a permit (government permission) with a fee, Alaskans adopted a separate initiative law verifying the right to keep and bear arms as an individual right.
Unbeknownst to people easily kept ignorant by government, NRA and lawyers, a "right" is an action for which government holds no authority to charge a fee/tax, or require permission (permit).
Likewise unknown to unquestioning people, the act of asking for government permission (applying for a permit), regardless of being fooled into doing so, constitutes the superior law process for a person willfully surrendering their rights to privileges grantable or deniable by the government under inferior laws.
To ask for permission acquiesces to the surrender of a right.
The government did not take your gun rights away. It holds no authority to lawfully deny any right. Unquestioning people who were trained to think only in easy short sound bytes, and never question their government or NRA leaders, were easily fooled into willfully surrendering their undeniable rights for deniable privileges under inferior laws.
Learning the knowledge to regain your prevailing law rights requires far less time than trying to comply with, or perpetually discuss, the mazes of inferior laws contradicting your superior law rights.
Knowledge is your choice, much to the amusement of the ramblers.
Yesterday I just learned how many ice climbers are doing exclusive rock with ice tools and mono points, training for global warming.
And keep on having fun.
DougBuchanan.com
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Shack
Big Wall climber
Reno NV
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Apr 14, 2008 - 05:45pm PT
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"Traveling cross country you should be able to get away with transporting through nasty states as long as the firearm is unloaded in a locked container seperate from the ammo and not in the passenger compartment of the vehicle as long as the wepon is legal where you came from and where your going."
Tradman has it exactly right.
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Doug Buchanan
Trad climber
Fairbanks Alaska
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Apr 14, 2008 - 06:13pm PT
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Yooo Shack, TradMan and all....
"Should" describes that which is not.
Jails are full of people who "should" have been able to do what they did.
In fact, now over half the people in US prisons, and over 85 percent of the people arrested/cited/fined/hassled, violated no prevailing law, damaging no person or public policy defined in prevailing law, and thus were fraudulently arrested.
They were just fooled into believing the lucrative lies of police, lawyers and judges, rather than asking questions.
So rely on the dice roll of "should", or more wisely learn the knowledge of how to regain your prevailing law rights.
Sort of like the bother of learning the KNOWLEDGE of safe climbing.
And keep on having fun.
DougBuchanan
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Robb
Social climber
Pick Up Truck Heaven
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Apr 14, 2008 - 07:57pm PT
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"In fact, now over half the people in US prisons,.......violated no prevailing law.."
Funny, I wondered why all those guys at DVI, San Q., Corcoran, etc. seemed so put off.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Apr 14, 2008 - 08:19pm PT
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Y'all sound like you're unfamiliar with the eleventh commandment.
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tolman_paul
Trad climber
Anchorage, AK
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Apr 14, 2008 - 08:52pm PT
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Doug,
You nailed it as to why I don't care much for the NRA or Sierra Club, they started out as organizations to fight for a cause, but became highly proffitable "non-profits" with a stronger desire to keep the cause alive than to solve the fundamental issues and move on with their lives.
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Shack
Big Wall climber
Reno NV
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Apr 14, 2008 - 09:30pm PT
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Doug, I ask A LOT of questions.
I have a friend who works for ATF on speed dial.
The reason "should" is in there and IS exactly correct is that many LEO's don't really know all the gun laws.
You could get jammed even if you are technically legal.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Apr 14, 2008 - 09:34pm PT
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Exactly my point with the eleventh commandment.
DON'T GET CAUGHT!
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Doug Buchanan
Trad climber
Fairbanks Alaska
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Apr 14, 2008 - 10:03pm PT
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Shack my good friend, and all.....
Facing the damages of being fraudulently arrested by law enforcers who are routinely ignorant of prevailing law, including 100 percent of the BATF thugs who cannot understand the words of the US Constitution even if you hand them a dictionary, and who are so dumb they believe rather than question their agency-serving (not law-serving) lawyers, with ignorance of the law no excuse for perpetrating an unlawful damage, more so for those claiming authority in law, you would therefore wisely and easily learn the type QUESTIONS TO RESPECTFULLY ASK the ignorant law enforcement chaps, which immediately ascribe to evidence, and make obvious to them, the unlawful nature of their actions.
Is that not so?
If it were lawful, and not subject to severe punishment, for a law enforcement officer to arrest you or harass you because the officer was ignorant of the law, no law beyond police dictatorship would apply anyway.
The government and its ignorant police thugs (incl. park climbing rangers) are not here to help you. They exist to serve themselves at your cost, by keeping you ignorant through their lying, self-serving lawyers and unquestioning news media, an easy task among any citizenry that believes government and DOES NOT ASK QUESTIONS.
Your defense is in KNOWLEDGE, learned by asking questions, not by believing statements like those you are reading.
I was once dumber than all the BATF thugs, back before I started asking questions about why I was assisting the government to slaughter so many Vietnamese just because they refused to kowtow to Washington DC. Like we previous Army infantry officers, police and other government thugs are hired because they are still too ignorant to question incessant government lies, and too often remain that ignorant their entire lives.
Kindly assist them out of their ignorance. Learn the questions they are afraid to ask themselves.
All much to the amusement of the observers. Humans, the best comedy on the rock.
Carry on....
DougBuchanan.com
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Apr 14, 2008 - 10:29pm PT
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Late eightys A bunch of my buddys wanted to cut six hours off the drive to Second Chance 3 Gun match in Michigan so well in advance they applyed for and recieved all the permits that they needed to transport a whole shitload of guns accross Canada. Several of these rocket scientests were LEO. Needless to say even with all their permits in place they spent a good six hours at the Canadian border crossing trying to convince the gendarms that they were legal and allowed to transport a stationwagon stuffed to the celing with Benellie Automatic shotguns a dozen or so pistols and a half dozen assult rifles with all the ammo and fixins. After six hours of phone calls to various diferent supervisors and departments, a complte teardown and half assed reconstruction of their vehicle complete with the complementary body cavity search they were allowed to procede accross Canada to Sault ST Marie Michegan where the American border patrol repeted the procedure/shakedown...
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Apr 14, 2008 - 10:31pm PT
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Doug,
we have a serious arrogant pedestrian problem here in Utah. Many of them would not survive one day in New York City.
Here they are so sure of their right of way in using the crosswalk that they just step out in front of oncoming traffic, it doesn't surprise me that many learn the hard way that the laws of physics trump the traffic laws.
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Shack
Big Wall climber
Reno NV
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Apr 15, 2008 - 12:30am PT
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Yer preaching to the choir here Doug.
The second amendment defense won't keep you out of jail though, if you break the law in my business...
I have an FFL Etc. Etc.
Want to buy an AK? Maybe a machine gun?
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