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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Oct 31, 2018 - 03:52pm PT
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Way to go Harry!
And since we are quoting Churchill,”The price of greatness is responsibility”.
Ironic,aye.
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Oct 31, 2018 - 04:00pm PT
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Oops Wilbeer. I'm sorry to mention that in pc world, you can't quote Winston Churchill, since he was racist.
It's OK with me though, since he may have saved the world from Adolph Hitler in WWII, & fuk the pc people.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Oct 31, 2018 - 04:14pm PT
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Makes it more ironic.
Reading that above and knowing SLR, totally agree.
He Is a Veteran.
And a Doctor.
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fragglerockjoe
Trad climber
space-man from outer space
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Oct 31, 2018 - 05:11pm PT
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YES and it is all part of Werner's narcissistic plan to rule the world Ha Ha Haaa !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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HermitMaster
Social climber
my abode
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Oct 31, 2018 - 05:49pm PT
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it is all part of Werner's narcissistic plan to rule the world
Werner thinks we screwed it up. He doesn't want it anymore.
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Sport climber
moving thru
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 31, 2018 - 06:05pm PT
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Putting hate aside, there are so many options for each of us to create positive.....starting with our own personal lives and moving thru the ladder of friends, people we work with, groups we interact with (ST :) ) and more.
We can choose to make a difference in this world. Hate won't make it happen. But we have so many more options available to us in this "enlightened period" of history.
So whose the first to list some of these hateless options that could have a super positive impact in our lives, in the lives of who we live with and where we live, in this country and then the entire world?
I'll start with the home front:
+ When you get home from work relax with your significant other. Don't demand, ask questions etc. Just admire the sunset together
+ Never discuss anything serious after 4 pm.
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dirtbag
climber
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One party is embracing conspiracy theories promoting hatred of Jews and immigrants. One. The Republican Party must be destroyed.
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Contractor
Boulder climber
CA
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To promote a happy space in our mind; discussions of the dismantling of our institutions, the assault on the free press, the conspiracy to eliminate entitlements, the self dealing by government officials, the neutering of regulations on big businesses and the collaboration with foreign dictators by our President should only be discussed prior to 4pm.
Sleep well folks...
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MikeL
Social climber
Southern Arizona
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SLR: I could try to offer some insight to the ignoramus who made this statement, . . . .
By all means, do. It would be refreshing to express ideas rather than feelings around here.
Assuming that I’m a right-wing patriot is foolish and ignorant. You don’t know me.
I’ve read a great many people, to include some of the founding fathers. Can you talk to political ideas rather than the heart on your sleeve?
Wilbeer,
Just because a person is a veteran doesn’t mean sh*t. Nor a doctor. (Got one of each. So what?)
May god save us from those who would save us from ourselves.
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10b4me
Social climber
Lida Junction
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It never ceases to amaze me how so many right-wing "patriots" are incredibly ignorant of the history of the country that they profess to love and cherish so deeply.
I could try to offer some insight to the ignoramus who made this statement, and direct him to the writings of people like Thomas Jefferson, and the founding principles of our government, but in my experience these right-wingers are too dumb to be educated, or they adamantly cover their eyes and ears when facts are presented to them.
But I'll make a standing offer to any right-wing ignoramus: if you really want to learn about the country you understand so little about, then send me a message and I will gladly have an adult conversation with you.
+1
It never ceases to amaze me that conservatives only like certain parts of the constitution.
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nita
Social climber
chica de chico, I don't claim to be a daisy.
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Lynne, please listen to this former Republican strategist who promoted Sarah palin in the 2008 election. You may not want to equate politics with hate or see the connection but I believe this speaker makes it very clear what we are dealing with.
[Click to View YouTube Video]
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Trump
climber
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The Neuroscience Of Hate Speech:
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/31/opinion/caravan-hate-speech-bowers-sayoc.html
“President Trump has relentlessly demonized his political opponents as evil and belittled them as stupid.”
Seems like I’ve heard a little bit of that evil stupid talk coming from the other camp too. But mommy, he hit me first! People are people and we act like people.
“.. humans are social creatures — including and perhaps especially the unhinged and misfits among us ..”
Yup. The unhinged misfit half of Americans in the Trump camp and the unhinged misfit half of Americans in the other camp that hates them. Seems like we’ve each got our own band of haters who call ourselves lovers.
See y’all in the next banned thread.
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Trump
climber
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False equivalence? I’m just speaking to the OP’s question.
I won’t be surprised if we never understand the answer, or if understanding the answer is not really something we want to do with respect to ourselves.
We want the equivalence to tilt in our favor. So do they. And we’ve got 4 billion years of practice at that.
If we want to understand the subtle and not so subtle me-centric tribal biasing of beliefs and behaviors that goes on in other people and other tribes and produces hatred and violence (like the Gombe chimpanzee war), we might be helped by taking a closer look at the same kind of stuff that we each individually and collectively do, and why we all do it.
Neuroscience might help us, if we’re able to believe it.
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Sport climber
moving thru
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 1, 2018 - 09:55am PT
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I guess we can all point out the hate and anger in others, I'd like to start closer to home and cause a positive ripple effect as we do. Jess sayin'. Oh well, just an idea as nothing else seems to be working very well.
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dirtbag
climber
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Yes, bothsidism is bullsh#t.
Watch Nita’s clip a few posts above: Steve Schmidt nails it.
The Republican Party has become a white nationalist party, led by the president and cheerled and enabled by so called principled conservatives in Congress.
It has lost moral legitimacy to lead.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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We were talking about responsibility.
A Veteran in that respect means everything. As does a Doctor.
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Trump
climber
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Kudos to you Lynne. Thanks for your efforts.
My sense is that if we were as sensitive to our own challenges as we are to other people’s challenges, we might be less apt to condemn and hate them for theirs, while not noticing ours. But if we’re unwilling or unable to do that, then that’s how we are.
Sure, we could all solo El Cap if we thats what we put our minds to doing, but for the most part we don’t. What’s wrong with those other people who don’t solo El Cap?! Nothing.
ONE side includes us all. But that’s not the side we prefer to identify with, and to try to understand. We prefer a more tribal multisided perspective, where we’re on the right side.
It’s not so much about bothsideism or theirsideism, it’s more just about our human birthright of mysideism, and whether or not we can transcend that. We can try to do that by working on other people, but we might have more success by working on ourselves.
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Lynne, please listen to this former Republican strategist who promoted Sarah palin in the 2008 election.
That he's the catalyst for Palin being on McCain's ticket should disqualify him as a credible source. Seriously.
Here's an example of him being a hyper-partisan turd:
This is a moral outrage that hearkens to the worst excesses in the history of this country...to the separation of families at the slave auction blocks to the separation of native American families ...
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Why is it that the most intolerant, bat-shit crazy, leftwing haters are always the ones engaging the most intolerant, bat-shit crazy, right-wing haters?
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