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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jun 18, 2016 - 03:52pm PT
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Berner, let's get On Topic, since this is a climbing site. What is the chance that your
weather will improve by the time I get there in August (to show Uehlie how it should be done)?
It sure SUCKS now! ;--)
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jun 18, 2016 - 03:59pm PT
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Locker, it's like Bill Maher saying "I'm Swiss!"
(check it out on YouTube)
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skcreidc
Social climber
SD, CA
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Jun 18, 2016 - 04:12pm PT
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Well that report did come from Fox. Maybe it's a question on the background check for ;).
Edit: The report did say that gay and lesbian gun club membership has jumped up just recently.
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Jun 18, 2016 - 04:15pm PT
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How the hell would a gun store employee be able to tell if someone is "Gay" or not???...
They don't need to. Just refer here:
Pink Pistols
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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Jun 18, 2016 - 04:52pm PT
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Man that is encouraging.
If our fellow LGBT citizens embraced the power of freedom as opposed to the power of fighting for government acceptance it would be progress indeed.
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Jun 18, 2016 - 05:09pm PT
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Yeah, and supporting them is politically correct, unlike you hicks up in the boonies :-)
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Berner
Mountain climber
Switzerland
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Jun 18, 2016 - 05:12pm PT
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As Switzerland shows, as well as a very large portion of the US, having guns in households without shooting people is not only possible, its the norm in the overwhelming percentage of cases
not sure if my english good enough to understand everything... sorry in advance.
it is the norm, to not shoot other people ;-) - but unfortunately not in the USA as it seems. 3 times more murder by guns looks like a verry dangerous country or at least a place where the chance to get shoot is way to high...
I don't know if Swiss people are more calm (or something else...) but also there is another difference: most of the guns in our Country are army riffles. Not small pistols. And it is not allowed (and not necessary!) to carry them with you - except once a year when nearly everybody with a gun goes to a famous shooting contest
Anyway, we have regulations: no carrying around, you have to take away the breech / lock, no ammunition at home and you get the semi automatic gun only when you have done the army and every year passed the shooting test
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Berner
Mountain climber
Switzerland
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Jun 18, 2016 - 05:15pm PT
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Berner, let's get On Topic, since this is a climbing site. What is the chance that your
weather will improve by the time I get there in August (to show Uehlie how it should be done)?
It sure SUCKS now! ;--)
...uuh, don't hurry, it ways snowing the last days even on the lower mountains. But you will be fine in August, for sure.
So see you in the backyard of Ueli (an mine) around Berner Oberland? ;-) have a great stay and if you need some informations, just write
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Jun 18, 2016 - 05:17pm PT
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CDC-study-use-firearms-self-defense-important-crime-deterrent
Extract from the CDC report commissioned by the president.
7. Guns are used for self-defense often and effectively. “Almost all national survey estimates indicate that defensive gun uses by victims are at least as common as offensive uses by criminals, with estimates of annual uses ranging from about 500,000 to more than 3 million per year … in the context of about 300,000 violent crimes involving firearms in 2008,” says the report. The three million figure is probably high, “based on an extrapolation from a small number of responses taken from more than 19 national surveys.” But a much lower estimate of 108,000 also seems fishy, “because respondents were not asked specifically about defensive gun use.” Furthermore, “Studies that directly assessed the effect of actual defensive uses of guns (i.e., incidents in which a gun was 'used' by the crime victim in the sense of attacking or threatening an offender) have found consistently lower injury rates among gun-using crime victims compared with victims who used other self-protective strategies.”
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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Jun 18, 2016 - 05:41pm PT
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eah, and supporting them is politically correct, unlike you hicks up in the boonies :-)
No kidding. I've grown to treat anything that carries a "political" modifier with a healthy amount of skepticism.
In truth, its good to see any citizen protect themselves especially classes of people that typically see a large amount of persecution.
Gun control finds its roots racism and bigotry, it nice to see people opposing it.
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Jun 18, 2016 - 05:42pm PT
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Ooops...
(The Associated Press)
In the wake of the Sandy Hook tragedy, President Obama issued a list of Executive Orders. Notably among them, the Center for Disease Control (CDC) was given $10 million to research gun violence.
“Year after year, those who oppose even modest gun-safety measures have threatened to defund scientific or medical research into the causes of gun violence, I will direct the Centers for Disease Control to go ahead and study the best ways to reduce it,” Obama said on Jan. 16.
As a result, a 1996 Congressional ban on research by the CDC “to advocate or promote gun control” was lifted. Finally, anti-gun proponents—and presumably the Obama Administration—thought gun owners and the NRA would be met with irrefutable scientific evidence to support why guns make Americans less safe.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jun 18, 2016 - 05:48pm PT
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But you will be fine in August, for sure.
Do you work for Swiss Tourism Office? :-)
Our itinerary: Bettmeralp, Zermatt, Murren, Chamonix, Bern, Alsace (chez femme).
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Berner
Mountain climber
Switzerland
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Jun 18, 2016 - 06:01pm PT
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Do you work for Swiss Tourism Office? :-)
Our itinerary: Bettmeralp, Zermatt, Murren, Chamonix, Bern, Alsace (chez femme).
Haha, no but I used to be skiteacher in Grindelwald, maybe it is an old habit;-)
Great itinerary - every station good enough to stay for a longer time! I live close to Mürren (Thun) so I know all this places more or less from my own experience
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Jun 18, 2016 - 06:06pm PT
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$10 million to research gun violence.
How much does the NRA and the guns "industry" spend on misinformation.
How much do the gun-runners make from tooling the gullible into needing to purchase more and more guns?
Bring the numbers and put them on display.
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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Jun 18, 2016 - 06:12pm PT
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How much do the gun-runners make from tooling the gullible into needing to purchase more and more guns?
Lol, is that before or after they talked them into an adjustable rate mortgage?
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Jun 18, 2016 - 06:28pm PT
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Lol, is that before or after they talked them into an adjustable rate mortgage?
Another stupid response from Estupido.
Answer the question of STFU dummy.
How much profit do the gunbangers make? How much do you spend on guns and sh!t? How much does the NRA spend to tool ya?
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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Jun 18, 2016 - 07:02pm PT
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Well, when CDC comes out with data like Ksolem posted, why do they need to spread misinformation. The government does it for them. Boom.
And you're butt hurt because someone is making money? Typical.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
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Jun 18, 2016 - 07:19pm PT
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I think we should have a National Civilian Deputy Corp (NCDC) or something similar.
It could at first be made from former or retired Military, Police, Border Patrol, Federal Agents, Sheriffs etc. all without PTSD and heavily vetted. They should be trained, and then licensed, to open carry or conceal carry a small firearm.
Then civilians without this prior service and training should be given the chance to do so also. Get trained, licensed, and qualify with the weapon bi-monthly. Get the ratio up to 1: 50 for the USA population to be a part of this National Civilian Deputy Corp (NCDC).
I think such a program could work as a heavy deterrence and means of combating terrorism, whether it's Radical Islamic Terrorism or other.
I really do think this would work.
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