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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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FM, here's what Investopedia defines Closely Held Corporation.
Closely Held Corporation
Any company that has only a limited number of shareholders. Closely held corporation stock is publicly traded on occasion, but not on a regular basis. These entities differ from privately owned firms that issue stock that is not publicly traded. Those who own shares of closely held corporations should consult a financial planner with expertise in the tax and estate ramifications that come with owning this type of stock.
Do you think that describes Walmart?
Please cease and desist from your nonsense.
(And not sure why you're laughing at my link to the Detroit Free Press--it's not as if there is any serious debate as to whether Hobby Lobby applies to Walmart--that was just the first link to a mainstream article that I came across.)
So let's stick to the actual decision itself: I've already posted to at least one part that shows that Walmart isn't covered (Ginsburg's dissent, where she would be strongly motivated to include Walmart as an example of a closely held corporation if it were one).
Now please refer to the section of the decision that you think supports your view.
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Lollie
Social climber
I'm Lolli.
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 1, 2014 - 03:12pm PT
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BLUEBLOCR,
I think that person who reaches the door first should hold it open for the person behind him/her. Or for people who have a lot to carry or elderly and infirm. Simple common civility, caring for your fellow human being. Manners.
:-)
But there's a world of difference between the small courteous acts of everyday life and political and/or legislative decisions which affects the lives of people economically or in their way of life. This is a discriminating decision against half the population, based on nothing else but gender.
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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I do make sure to throw my cape over puddles that a Victorian-era woman might cross. That is, before we hook up on Tinder.
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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^^^Good one Bubbles!!!
ok lollie
it's gender based only because only women can have babies. If men could have babies we would still be writing these laws. So the "poor me" act doesn't work in my courtroom.(not trying to make you mad, jus trying to get the emotion-ness out of the room)
The bottom line here hasn't to do with the lady. Hobby started it.
The question here is whether or not Hobbyland can hold to a higher moral ground than that of The Government in a public setting,ie, a store.
Mind you, this is a privately owned business on privately owned property.
The type of Drug restiction Hobby wants directly correlates with an act that goes against Hobby's conscious. And this only associates with maybe 20% of the female population.And i wonder of those how many actually apply? But not half the population.Besides i know women who are on Hobby's side.
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Lollie
Social climber
I'm Lolli.
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 1, 2014 - 04:04pm PT
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why should a devout Buddhist, who believes that killing anything living may place his soul in danger of eternal rebirth, be forced to pay for the military and wars whose function is to kill?
Wormcanreasoning.
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Lollie
Social climber
I'm Lolli.
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 1, 2014 - 04:22pm PT
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BLUEBLOCR, I don't think your reasoning holds water. They did not judge the same way against Viagra for instance, which, all jokes aside, some men really do need in order to be able to have a sexlife, with the reasoning that in that case God doesn't intend them to have sex or make babies.
Besides the other medical uses of contraceptions, which isn't only for preventing pregnacies. It's a decision solely aimed at women health care.
Bruce Kay said the rest, so I don't have to repeat it.
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Melissa
Gym climber
berkeley, ca
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far as I know, Planned Parenthood offers safe abortions, at no cost; also offers free contraception services
I'm pretty sure you can't get a free abortion or IUD there unless you're on Medicaid/Medical. For a lot of women proving their household income amounts to getting their husband's permission for either service.
From the El Cerrito Planned Parenthood website:
Payment Information
If you are uninsured, you may qualify for a state-funded program or a lower fee scale.
Fees for services are based on your household income.
We accept the following forms of payment:
cash
major credit/debit cards
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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You can get an IUD at the County Health Department free of charge.
And everything else Hobby Lobby doesn't feel like paying for, too.
This is only a problem if you want it to be a problem.
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Melissa
Gym climber
berkeley, ca
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Chaz…from LA county website:
Family Planning, Access, Care and Treatment (Family PACT)
The Family PACT program covers family planning services for men and women at LA County DHS and community clinics. Family income must be at or below $1,945* per month and have no other coverage.
* Monthly income level above is based on the April 1, 2014 Federal Poverty Levels (FPL) for your family size.
So, if you have one adult making $10/hour, 40 hours/week, another bringing in an extra $400 a month, and lets assume your baby doesn't contribute to the family income. You're too rich for the free IUD.
It's a catch-22…get pregnant and knock yourself back below the poverty line when your unplanned little hungry mouth arrives, and qualify for birth control again. The ACA was supposed to eliminate some of these ridiculous red lines that hold people in poverty.
ETA: Bonus stat I just looked up:
As of June, 2014, average apartment rent within 10 miles of Los Angeles, CA is $1693.
One bedroom apartments in Los Angeles rent for $1465 a month on average and two bedroom apartment rents average $1892.
http://www.rentjungle.com/average-rent-in-los-angeles-rent-trends
That bonus $150/month will pay off the IUD in around 7 months if no one ever needs to eat or pay for anything else in that time.
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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why should a devout Buddhist,
Yea why should he? And why should a christian have to condone a pill that kills fetus's? Think about it.. from the Tibetan monks to American christians, spiritual prose has been trampled on by governments for,for ever! They keep com'in up with more inventions to demoralize us with..
It's hapening faster and faster under the guise of modern medicine and tv and computers. a blanket of illusion. Without respect for nature they'll readily sacrifice life for immediate satisfaction and pleasure.
Apes, i tell you,Apes!
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Melissa
Gym climber
berkeley, ca
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Any more bogus facts about where I can get me a free IUD that I should check before I head for din din?
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jonnyrig
climber
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Why should a devout Muslim have to hire a non-Muslim, allow them in their establishment to shop, or provide any services to them at all, let alone healthcare, when such non-Muslims are no more than mere infidels?
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Daphne
Trad climber
Northern California
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I'm taking a poll:
Who takes the responsibility for preventing procreation in your relationship?
Have you ever been in a long term relationship where you always wore a condom as well as collaborated with your partner using a spermicide to raise the effectiveness of conds to resemble the effectiveness of birth control?
If your female partner and you are sure you are finished having children why havent you had a vasectomy if you havent?
If men bore equal responsibility for prevention of pregnancy there wouldnt be any resistance to providing women this prescription. It isnt about finances. Finances are a smoke screen.
A while back a pharmacy in el paso tx refused to fill contraception rx for women. This scotus interpretation is coming from that same rationale.
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Daphne
Trad climber
Northern California
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Always my favorite thing to hear in a new partner, Bruce. :)
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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A while back a pharmacy in el paso tx refused to fill contraception rx for women. This scotus interpretation is coming from that same rationale. Umm sort of, if you mean that we live in a more-or-less free country where we're generally not compelled by the government to do things that are opposed to our religious beliefs, subject to some exceptions (yes, we all do have to pay taxes, and I'm not sure that Buddhist has more of a basis to object as to how the money is spent than anyone else).
On a more technical level, the rationale of the Supreme Court and the El Paso pharmacy have nothing whatsover in common, but we've learned from this thread that that Super Topo legal analysis isn't all that rigorous.
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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I'm taking a poll:
Whatever happened to saving oneself for marriage? If we all took this higher moral latitude, we wouldn't have to fumble around with this nonsense!
Yea right! Like thats gonna happen. But we can TRY!
We should be teaching it in schools; NOT handing out rubbers!
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clinker
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
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BruceKay had a Canadian opperation? Will it work?
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Once again, the assumption that "good christian values" are actually good does not stand up to any reasonable level of scrutiny.
Maybe not to you. But why do you want to rain on my parade?
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clinker
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
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My climbing pard snuk out 5 years after the snip.
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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you check your "unique" demands at the door, e Gov.
Check!
That's exactly what Hobby said to the Gov. when they tried to slip these drugs in the back door! Everything was fine and dandy before that. Hobby stood up and voiced their opinion and got it amended. The proper legal action. Whats wrong with that? That's the little guy standing up to big government and big business drug company's!
Do you really think Hobby is sit'in over there now rubbing their hands together saying,"That's a liitle more power we got over women by stopping two of the ten ways of abortion, HeHeHe". And because Hobby didn't sit down and accept these new drugs, You wisecrackers start calling them names, you put them down, even going so far as to say They are at war with women. That Hobby's only motivation is to dictate power over women.
Really????????????????????
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