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Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Topic Author's Reply - May 11, 2014 - 08:05pm PT
Sketch...you really don't pay attention, do you?? Two days ago.


"Who can tell us what has been done by our esteemed leaders (Obama, Congress, the Fed, the FDIC, the SEC, etc.) to prevent a 2008 meltdown from happening again?"


I can tell you who has, Obama.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/obama-signs-sweeping-bank-reform-bill-into-law-2010-07-21-12200


And he is still trying.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/20/business/obama-presses-for-action-on-bank-rules.html?_r=0

HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
May 11, 2014 - 08:06pm PT
Wages vs Inflation '96 - '08 EuroZone and US
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
May 11, 2014 - 08:11pm PT
Raising the minimum wage wouldn't help the unemployed in the inner city
Don't be so sure
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2014/01/04/economists-agree-raising-the-minimum-wage-reduces-poverty/
let’s take a look at where these economists, and all the other researchers investigating the minimum wage, do agree: They all tend to think that raising the minimum wage would reduce poverty. That’s the conclusion of a major new paper by Dube, titled “Minimum Wages and the Distribution of Family Incomes.”
Let’s first highlight the major results. Dube uses the latest in minimum-wage statistics and finds a negative relationship between the minimum wage and poverty. Specifically, raising the minimum wage 10 percent (say from $7.25 to near $8) would reduce the number of people living in poverty 2.4 percent. (For those who thrive on jargon, the minimum wage has an “elasticity” of -0.24 when it comes to poverty reduction.)
Using this as an estimate, raising the minimum wage to $10.10 an hour, as many Democrats are proposing in 2014, would reduce the number of people living in poverty by 4.6 million. It would also boost the incomes of those at the 10th percentile by $1,700.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
May 11, 2014 - 08:16pm PT
That wouldn't help the unemployed though. Nobody will tell you raising the minimum wage will increase the number of jobs.
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Topic Author's Reply - May 11, 2014 - 08:19pm PT
Chaz wrote: That wouldn't help the unemployed though. Nobody will tell you raising the minimum wage will increase the number of jobs.


Could you back it up with some kind of facts/data.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
May 11, 2014 - 08:25pm PT
Whatever he did in his basement had zip to do with his essential presence in the book.

I guess you only read the "progressive" Ciff Notes.

feralfae

Boulder climber
in the midst of a metaphysical mystery
May 11, 2014 - 08:29pm PT
Doug and I were both Common Law scholars. I find the below pleasantly related to Galsworthy's Gunpowder, printing press, and the Protestant religion.

Only this time, it is the internet, human rights rising global awareness, and ??????? I'm open to other factors, just not sure what they are.

Kevin Annett: The Birth of a New Era: The End of Papal Authority and Corporatism, and the Rise of a new Common Law Covenant


fae
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
May 11, 2014 - 08:41pm PT
“Humanity is sick and dying, from the inside out, because we have forgotten our innate sovereignty and our bond with creation and the Creator. Nobody can mediate or create that bond for another, and justice is an empty shell without the personal capacity to be a just and virtuous man or woman. Benjamin Franklin said that only a virtuous people could be self-governing, for with personal corruption always comes political tyranny. So the new Covenant recognizes itself as both a new law and a new spirit, one supporting and feeding the other.”

Put another way,

seek to trace the novel features under which despotism may appear in the world. The first thing that strikes the observation is an innumerable multitude of men all equal and alike, incessantly endeavoring to procure the petty and paltry pleasures with which they glut their lives. Each of them, living apart, is as a stranger to the fate of all the rest—his children and his private friends constitute to him the whole of mankind; as for the rest of his fellow-citizens, he is close to them, but he sees them not—he touches them, but he feels them not; he exists but in himself and for himself alone; and if his kindred still remain to him, he may be said at any rate to have lost his country. Above this race of men stands an immense and tutelary power, which takes upon itself alone to secure their gratifications, and to watch over their fate. That power is absolute, minute, regular, provident, and mild. It would be like the authority of a parent, if, like that authority, its object was to prepare men for manhood; but it seeks on the contrary to keep them in perpetual childhood: it is well content that the people should rejoice, provided they think of nothing but rejoicing. For their happiness such a government willingly labors, but it chooses to be the sole agent and the only arbiter of that happiness: it provides for their security, foresees and supplies their necessities, facilitates their pleasures, manages their principal concerns, directs their industry, regulates the descent of property, and subdivides their inheritances—what remains, but to spare them all the care of thinking and all the trouble of living? Thus it every day renders the exercise of the free agency of man less useful and less frequent; it circumscribes the will within a narrower range, and gradually robs a man of all the uses of himself. The principle of equality has prepared men for these things: it has predisposed men to endure them, and oftentimes to look on them as benefits.

After having thus successively taken each member of the community in its powerful grasp, and fashioned them at will, the supreme power then extends its arm over the whole community. It covers the surface of society with a net-work of small complicated rules, minute and uniform, through which the most original minds and the most energetic characters cannot penetrate, to rise above the crowd. The will of man is not shattered, but softened, bent, and guided: men are seldom forced by it to act, but they are constantly restrained from acting: such a power does not destroy, but it prevents existence; it does not tyrannize, but it compresses, enervates, extinguishes, and stupefies a people, till each nation is reduced to be nothing better than a flock of timid and industrious animals, of which the government is the shepherd. I have always thought that servitude of the regular, quiet, and gentle kind which I have just described, might be combined more easily than is commonly believed with some of the outward forms of freedom; and that it might even establish itself under the wing of the sovereignty of the people. Our contemporaries are constantly excited by two conflicting passions; they want to be led, and they wish to remain free: as they cannot destroy either one or the other of these contrary propensities, they strive to satisfy them both at once. They devise a sole, tutelary, and all-powerful form of government, but elected by the people. They combine the principle of centralization and that of popular sovereignty; this gives them a respite; they console themselves for being in tutelage by the reflection that they have chosen their own guardians. Every man allows himself to be put in leading-strings, because he sees that it is not a person or a class of persons, but the people at large that holds the end of his chain. By this system the people shake off their state of dependence just long enough to select their master, and then relapse into it again. A great many persons at the present day are quite contented with this sort of compromise between administrative despotism and the sovereignty of the people; and they think they have done enough for the protection of individual freedom when they have surrendered it to the power of the nation at large. This does not satisfy me: the nature of him I am to obey signifies less to me than the fact of extorted obedience.

Tocqueville, Book 4 chapter 6
feralfae

Boulder climber
in the midst of a metaphysical mystery
May 11, 2014 - 08:48pm PT
Thank you for that, TGT.

fae
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
May 11, 2014 - 08:56pm PT
That wouldn't help the unemployed though. Nobody will tell you raising the minimum wage will increase the number of jobs.
Statistically there is zero correlation between minimum wage changes and employment rates.
So what's the problem with reducing the poverty rate by itself? for whatever reason?

Meanwhile London has more billionaires than any other city in the world and Britain has 50% more billionaires per capita than the US.
So given that billionaires can live just about anywhere they like, why Britain instead of NY or SF or LA? Certainly not for the weather.
feralfae

Boulder climber
in the midst of a metaphysical mystery
May 11, 2014 - 09:01pm PT
Sir:
Under the still-enforced Common Laws of Great Britain, one is able to more securely hold assets against government seizure. Those same Common Laws have been almost universally diluted through statute-created license to plunder in most states of this nation.

If you want to secure assets, this is not the nation in which to hold your fortune. GB is far superior. It has much more of the Common Law intact and in practice. Assets are far better protected than in most instances in this nation. There are still a few states with intact Common Law protections. Not many.
Kindly,
fae
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
May 11, 2014 - 09:50pm PT
fae
This is one of the main reasons: A large number of the British billionaire residents were not born in UK and claim another nation as their domicile. Thereby dodging taxes on most earnings outside the UK. Rather like Americans hiding their earnings in a Caribbean nation.
London/UK is a tax haven for foreigners with foreign income sources.
feralfae

Boulder climber
in the midst of a metaphysical mystery
May 11, 2014 - 10:10pm PT
Yes, that certainly may be a component of it.

However, there are certainly the Common Law protections which are used foreigners to hold assets in private banks which operate under specific types of Common Law Charters. These are not commonly advertised as available, requiring, as they do, a level of trust seldom recognized in the corporate banking circles. :)

But, yes, was it Holmes who said no man is required to pay more in taxes than he can legally pay?

I know some of those off-shore funds support some wonderful international charities, privately run and out of political harm's way. :) We hear so little about them in this country.

Thank you for your response.
fae




bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
May 12, 2014 - 06:24am PT
Blue if you are paying a true 33% federal tax rate you must be doing alright. Federal taxes are progressive. If you fall into the 33 percent tax bracket, it does not mean that all of your income is taxed at 33 percent. If you earn between $174,400 and $379,150 as an individual (more if you are married), you are in the 33 percent tax bracket. The first $8,500 is taxed at the 10 percent rate. Income from $8,500 up to $34,500 is taxed at a rate of 15 percent, income from $34,500 to $50,000 is taxed at 25 percent so on and so on. If your income includes long term capital gains and qualified dividends they will be taxes at a lower rate. Of course you probably know all this and are just spouting out an ignorant Rush Limbaugh sound bite to troll.

Someone with a AGI of $300K+ , their real Federal tax-rate would probably be around 24%. If you cannot be motivated to work for 300K a year because of taxes, I am sure some-else will take your place, and you can join John Galt in his choo-choo train riding around in circles up in the Colorado Rockies.


Move to california for a year, and you'll see why everybody has bailed. They went "John Galt".
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
May 12, 2014 - 12:28pm PT
Speaking of John Galt and Ayn Rand
I got sucked in by Ayn Rand waaaay back at university. Everyone was reading her. She had just been discovered. Atlas Shrugged, The Fountainhead. So appealing. If everyone is completely selfish everyone benefits.
So I let the nonsense float around in my curious adolescent brain for a while. Within a few months the adolescent bullshit floated to the top and I came to understand what complete tommy rot it all is. Narcotic beliefs. A drug for the unthinking.
Appeals to the non-reflective and the greedy. A strong "primitive cavemen had it right all along" appeal.
Having studied Philosophy, I can't call Ayn Rand's work philosophical. It is complete unadorned made up BS.
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
May 12, 2014 - 12:34pm PT
bluering posted
Move to california for a year, and you'll see why everybody has bailed*. They went "John Galt".

*Citation needed.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
May 12, 2014 - 12:38pm PT
Move to california for a year, and you'll see why everybody has bailed
bluey. at least get your facts straight
California's population increased more than 12% from 2000 census till now.
California is the nation's 13th fastest growing state.
Or do you mean the percentage of non-Hispanic whites dropping from 78% to 40%?
diversity. what a bummer

HHDJ
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_population_growth_rate
and
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_California
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
May 12, 2014 - 12:55pm PT
Then there's one of Ayn Rand's best known acolytes. Alan Greenspan.
Being questioned by Congress after the 2008 crash:
In Congressional testimony on October 23, 2008, Greenspan acknowledged that he was "partially" wrong in opposing regulation and stated "Those of us who have looked to the self-interest of lending institutions to protect shareholder's equity – myself especially – are in a state of shocked disbelief."
Referring to his free-market ideology, Greenspan said: "I have found a flaw. I don't know how significant or permanent it is. But I have been very distressed by that fact."
Representative Henry Waxman (D-CA) then pressed him to clarify his words. "In other words, you found that your view of the world, your ideology, was not right, it was not working," Waxman said. "Absolutely, precisely," Greenspan replied. "You know, that's precisely the reason I was shocked, because I have been going for 40 years or more with very considerable evidence that it was working exceptionally well."[84] Greenspan admitted fault[85] in opposing regulation of derivatives and acknowledged that financial institutions didn't protect shareholders and investments as well as he expected.
What nerve Liberal Waxman had to question The Rand Man!
Although Greenspan was initially a logical positivist,[51] he was converted to Rand's philosophy of Objectivism by her associate Nathaniel Branden. He became one of the members of Rand's inner circle, the Ayn Rand Collective, who read Atlas Shrugged while it was being written. During the 1950s and 1960s Greenspan was a proponent of Objectivism, writing articles for Objectivist newsletters and contributing several essays for Rand's 1966 book Capitalism: The Unknown Ideal including an essay supporting the gold standard.[52][53] Rand stood beside him at his 1974 swearing-in as Chair of the Council of Economic Advisers. Greenspan and Rand remained friends until her death in 1982.
madbolter1

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
May 12, 2014 - 02:22pm PT
Having studied Philosophy, I can't call Ayn Rand's work philosophical.

Amen!

Rand is offering grand thought-experiments in ethical egoism, the most thoroughly debunked ethical paradigm in philosophical ethics. While she was brilliant at employing the thought experiments to make EE seem plausible, in fact there are devastating theoretical reasons to utterly reject EE. I hesitate to say "universally" because there are always a few, odd exceptions. But here goes: philosophers have universally rejected EE. Thought experiments or no, the "adolescent plausibility" of them quickly founders on the hard rocks of rigorous refutation. EE is one of those rare theories that proves to be actually self-refuting.
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Topic Author's Reply - May 12, 2014 - 02:25pm PT
HT wrote: Having studied Philosophy, I can't call Ayn Rand's work philosophical. It is complete unadorned made up BS.

I was a History/Philosophy major for my first two years in college and read some of her work. She made me kinda ill. Self-centered to the core.
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