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Binks
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Uranus
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yeah, i've had enough about the guy allegedly rising from the dead more than 2000 years ago, and who is actually, allegedly, the lord and creator of the universe. splendid job, mate. is this the best you can come up with? is this the best WE can come up with for a story of the "divine"
the fact that this absurdity continues to influence the human race and brainwash people lends greatly to the theory that life really is a joke.
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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.because god only lives in 3 religions Christianity, Judaism and yes, Islam all believe in the God of Abraham.
Karen Armstrong is a brilliant ex-Catholic nun religious scholar.
Her book on the history of Islam from before until shortly after Mohammed is excellent reading.
Only Christians believe Jesus was the son of god.
Hence many Christians believe Jews and/or Muslims are apostates at best and heathens at worst. Made it easy for Hitler to convince Lutheran/Catholic Germany to send them to the ovens.
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WBraun
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All you idiots are still forced to OBEY no matter how much you run your mouths here.
God or Govt .... you still remain subservient and told what to do.
Yer all hypocrites .....
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Cragman
fair enough it is in the Treaty Of Tripoli you mention.
Which when presented to the Senate for ratification raised no serious objections
President John Adams sent the treaty to the Senate for ratification in May 1797, the entire treaty was read aloud on the Senate floor, and copies were printed for every Senator. A committee considered the treaty and recommended ratification. Twenty-three of the thirty-two sitting Senators were present for the June 7 vote which unanimously approved the ratification recommendation.[
Political expediency? perhaps. Or perhaps they really had no objection to As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion —as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen [Muslims]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Tripoli
The Founding Fathers knew one thing very very well. Mess not with thy neighbor's religion and not put thine own above others'
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Oregon
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Yer all hypocrites .....
Yeah, while you're a free spirit childe of the universe....
Good luck with that.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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This statement was made by an official representative of the U.S., but is actually a line from the English version of the Treaty of Tripoli of 1796,
Ok Dean, I'll take your word for it. Can you provide me a link or something, so I can trust, but verify?
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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survival....see my link above
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Ok, got it. I think the point is the same relative to the founders and christianity.
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dirtbag
climber
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May 7, 2014 - 03:41pm PT
re hypocrits:
Well, actually that depends on the religion in question. Islam instructs its followers to go out and destroy the "infidel" which is precisely what the practitioners of terrorism are doing. Obviously not every Islamist is a terrorist but those who are so are actually not hypocrits.
The Christians? Well, they have a bit of a harder time using their faith to justify war (which is what they want to do anyway). Supposedly Jesus preached against violence but somehow the Christians have managed to find an excuse to make considerable war in the name of religion. Humans are very ingenious creatures. Millions of people have been burned, tortured, maimed or outright slaughtered in the name of Jesus.
Judaism? I am less familiar with that set of religious beliefs. I am not entirely certain as to what their religious edicts instruct them to do. Historically, they often found themselves on the receiving end of another group's hostility. In the past, at least, they were fairly busy defending themselves against hostility reigned on them by others.
HiLois!
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dirtbag
climber
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Who cares? That's not what the law says.
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The Larry
climber
Moab, UT
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You can kill a hooker and still go to heaven.
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dirtbag
climber
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Craignman,
I believe you miss the point of the question. We are not debating whether there is any truth to the issue of Jesus. I am asking you to answer what YOU, Craigman, would do differently if there was no Jesus. I asked you a hypothetical question. I hope you are not going to tell me that all of these ethical and charitable things you do in your life along with the way you lead your life are done ONLY because of Jesus. Surely, you are not going to tell me that if Jesus did not exist, you would behave unethically.
Hi Lois!
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The Larry
climber
Moab, UT
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I believe in the golden rule. Werks for me.
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The Larry
climber
Moab, UT
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And good on you Dean.
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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I'm with Larry. No religion here, just basic values for humanity.
Modern religion is a sham, controlling people through dogma is wrong.
Intertwining government and religion is wrong.
Love is the key, not organized religion.
Live by a high moral code, respect others and your environment, and keep your religious beliefs to yourself.
Edit; Dean, that wasn't directed at you specifically.
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sandstone conglomerate
climber
sharon conglomerate central
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The sooner the Abrahamic religions are dust, the better off humanity will be.
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WBraun
climber
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The sooner this disgusting USA govt stops waring on just about every country in the Mideast the better off humanity will be.
The latest is the stupid fool US govt meddling in Ukraine overthrowing the democratically elected govt there and installing a Neofascist proxy govt in it's place and almost starting WWIII.
You people are hypocrites to the max with your ethical bullsh!t .....
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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I don't have the energy to really get into this tonight, long day at work.
But, if you're not a believer in 'religion', and you're a 'Christian', what are you? And, if you and I share the same values and practice them, you're going to 'heaven' and I'm not? Simply because I don't prescribe to your spiritual structure? That makes no sense to me.
God doesn't play favorites when it comes to what church, temple, mosque, or forest you worship at, that's a human affectation.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Yikes!
This thread has definitely been Loisified!
Outie!
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