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Ksolem
Trad climber
LA, Ca
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Jul 23, 2006 - 11:49pm PT
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Joe,
Sorry not to respond sooner - I was out climbing for a bit. Hey man I apologize about the "you make yourself look stupid" stuff. Bad on me for that.
Last thing I saw MR solo was scary poodles in josh, not a real stretch for him but kind of a sketchy thing if you know what I mean. I've seen lots of climbers solo stuff and I count them in two groups. The ones who are fun to see and the one's where you just want to walk away. This one nice to see. Solid, balletic and expressing confidence and pleasure in each move.
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brett kassell
Trad climber
san jose, ca
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Jul 24, 2006 - 01:47am PT
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i'll give $1000 to the next person that solos Astroman. John? Michael? Werner? Peter and Dean are excluded. it must be done in 2006 and you have to let me know when so i can watch.
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JuanDeFuca
Big Wall climber
Stoney Point
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Jul 24, 2006 - 02:11am PT
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Man am I tired. I got up at 3am, drove to the valley of soloed the Astroman. Boy are my f*#king arms tired.
I expect that money ASAP!
If it is not here tommorrow I will be sending my boys out to visit with you!!!!!!!!!
Juan
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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Jul 24, 2006 - 02:40am PT
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Juan, shut DeFuca up.
Brett said to let him know in advance...
But since I've had a tequila or three, I will match Brett's offer:
Solo Astroman, let us know in advance, and I will also pay $1000.00 US.
That's gotta be a way-the-fuçk easier challenge than flashing Romantic Warrior!!!
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Roger Breedlove
Trad climber
Cleveland Heights, Ohio
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Jul 24, 2006 - 08:37am PT
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Karl, I don’t believe you. I think that you have soloed Astroman and for reasons of pure egotism you are denying it. My logic:
1. Way sorrier ass climbers than you have claimed not to have soloed Astroman, but no body has every proved it.
2. There is no way that you are a bigger man than Croft and he got through the Harding Slot. He never denied it either.
3. Of the thousand of pitches that you could have not done in the Valley, you claim to have not done only 13 of them. And you live there? Come on!
4. I am still waiting for the video or your ‘friends’ to finally come out of the woodwork and support your ‘unbelievable’ claims.
TL,S--Roger
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Anastasia
Trad climber
Near a mountain, CA
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Jul 24, 2006 - 09:25am PT
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Oh Karl,
I've seen him do some really scary sh#t... If I swear on my life's blood he's real, would you believe me and at least come watch with me when I pass out the invite?
Then would you give the guy a break???
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Levy
Big Wall climber
So Cal
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Jul 24, 2006 - 11:30am PT
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This is getting SO TIRED!! Unless some new info or proof positive comes to life, there will forever be some doubt about MR's claimed solos. The pics Mark Niles took are not conclusive & I submit to you fellow climbers that they appear to be photoshoped.
Want proof? Check out the pics & in the one of him on the diagonal 12a crack(campus traverse) his shorts are black where the shade is but they're more of a charcoal grey on the back where the sunlight is directly shining on them. In the pic of the 11d stemming corner however, the shorts are the same color throughout even though the sunlight is shining on them. Why are they not charcoal grey in the sunlight like in the other picture. The sunlight is on him so it's not that he was in the shade. It looks to me & many others like the harness was photoshoped out of the picture. How come there's no chalk on his arms, legs or face. When I climb a few pitches I usually have chalk everywhere on my exterior. My thighs, arms & face usually bear witness to a casual brush with a chalk laden hand, and most people I've observed fare the same way. MR looks a bit too clean to have just soloed a death fall multi-pitch route.
Enough. Unless some new revelation or pics appear these claims will always be viewed with some suspicion. If he steps up and does Astroman or Rostrum with witnesses or video this will be put to rest. Soloing 40 foot routes at Joshua Tree or Malibu Creek are just not even close to the same level of commitment as the Romantic Warrior.
Mike, Wes & the rest of your group, let's see it! The climbing community awaits what comes next.
Levy
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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Jul 24, 2006 - 12:11pm PT
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Nice work Levy. NOT.
The 'climbing community' may await whatever, but no climber I know cares, or would want to goad someone into proving anything about their climbing when the risk is death.
This 'climbing community', that demands of proof of adventures of other climbers instead of seeking their own, that would rather piss and moan and carp than anything else, that sounds most like a batch of spoiled, sour, has-been wanna-bees, apparently has no sense of climbing OR community.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Jul 24, 2006 - 12:21pm PT
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Since Brett and Knott have ponied up, I guess the bribing can go both ways.
I'll give a case of green labels to the next guy who solos Astroman.
But all you slackers who don't solo Astroman now owe me just one green label.
Makes sense to me.
Peace
karl
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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Jul 24, 2006 - 12:25pm PT
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Spurt In Eye - since you don't care, why are you reading (and posting in, no less) this thread?
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sketchy
Trad climber
Vagrant
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Jul 24, 2006 - 12:39pm PT
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I checked reardons site and was unable to find the pictures of RW. Anyone mind posting the pics or a link?
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10b4me
Trad climber
California
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Jul 24, 2006 - 12:53pm PT
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Croft says his hardest day ever, IIRC, was 6 formations in a day (Middle/Higher Cath, Sentinel, Half Dome and Royal Arches/North Dome) which is about 80 pitches...He also went balls-out at Arapiles once and did 80 pitches. Sorry, but your bro is not Peter Croft on his best day
that's for dang sure
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Matt
Trad climber
places you shouldn't talk about in polite company
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Jul 24, 2006 - 01:15pm PT
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"Way sorrier ass climbers than you have claimed not to have soloed Astroman, but no body has every proved it."
LOL
Levy-
if you are gonna spout about some suposedly photoshopped pics, you gotzta post them up- or at least post a link, most of us around here aren't interested enough in this playground squabble to seek it out, so put the smack on a platter please, gracias.
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Murf
climber
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Jul 24, 2006 - 01:17pm PT
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The 'climbing community' may await whatever, but no climber I know cares, or would want to goad someone into proving anything about their climbing when the risk is death.
I think that speaks more to the climbers you know that anything else.
This 'climbing community', that demands of proof of adventures of other climbers instead of seeking their own, that would rather piss and moan and carp than anything else, that sounds most like a batch of spoiled, sour, has-been wanna-bees, apparently has no sense of climbing OR community.
Spurt, you couldn't keep up with Levy's dog.
I always figured that the whole thing was some sort of psychology experiment funded by DARPA or something.
Regardless of perceived spite from other climbers, and avid support from a small group, some things are clear.
There is an incredible lack of "money shots". In a day and age where I can download hours of video of boulder sequences, Indian Creek plug-n-chug, etc, it would seem that someone who has produced multiple DVD's could get a few minutes of uninterupted video footage.
Secondly, for someone who has coined a phrase for his detractor's ( Anonymous S?? Slanderer's (ASS) or some such ), it would seem that not much effort has gone into quieting them. All it would take is soloing Vampire in front of 1 or 2 people ( I can think of 10 folks who would jump at the chance) would suffice.
So what are we left with? Either he can't or he won't repeat these things for an audience.
Why should he you ask? If he smiled and never mentioned his accomplishments, let his friends brag if they wished, and kept it on the down-low, he wouldn't have to. He brought it out into the open, and created the stage for this show. I suspect he enjoys it.
At the bare minimum, it makes for good drama...
Murf
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scuffy b
climber
Chalet Neva-Care
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Jul 24, 2006 - 01:41pm PT
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I'm going to try to step up to Roger's challenge.
It was in 1977. I felt really good because earlier I had led
_ ___ with RRR3. So I went over to the tunnels and
found my way to 5 and Dime and climbed on up to the start of
the thin section. And looked. And stared. And climbed back down to the ground.
It was ON SIGHT FLASH style that I DID NOT climb 5 and Dime that day--On Sight with No Foot Slips and No Gobies. I was not even breathing hard when I got back to my car after not soloing what would have been probably a pretty good accomplishment.
I have a slightly more complicated non-solo of something in JT
but I have to sort out the confusing details.
Any others?
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Gene
climber
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Jul 24, 2006 - 01:46pm PT
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Gene
climber
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Jul 24, 2006 - 01:50pm PT
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Roger Breedlove
Trad climber
Cleveland Heights, Ohio
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Jul 24, 2006 - 01:54pm PT
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That looks dangerous. If he were to fall, he might bite his tongue off.
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JuanDeFuca
Big Wall climber
Stoney Point
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Jul 24, 2006 - 02:15pm PT
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When I see photo's like that I think mental illness!
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scuffy b
climber
Chalet Neva-Care
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Jul 24, 2006 - 02:18pm PT
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I went to solo Touch and Go. Everything went fine. Then I saw a picture of Touch and Go and things just didn't look right. I'm pretty sure I was within a few hundred yards, anyway. Well, within a couple formations. I'm pretty sure I was in the right part of the Park, broadly speaking.
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