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DPatrick
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Originally California now Ireland
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 26, 2005 - 10:56am PT
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Fattrad: "Don't sweat the small stuff..." It's the small stuff that turns in to big problems, you should know that.
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Spinmaster K-Rove
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Stuck Under the Kor Roof
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Aug 26, 2005 - 05:34pm PT
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I guess it all looks like 'small stuff' when yer eyes are squinted shut so hard. I have never seen denial used as such an effective tool by a seemingly otherwise intelligent human being, fattrad.
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Matt
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places you shouldn't talk about in polite company
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Sep 15, 2005 - 04:16pm PT
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fyi- i am not the one bumping this old stuff
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Matt
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Mar 20, 2006 - 01:39pm PT
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since the "pro war" thread got bumped, here's it's mate...
and after a quick skim, here is my favorite quote from the thread (can you guess the author w/out looking?:
"It is so hilarious to watch a bunch of whiney liberals pee all over each other. You guys are pathetic...Bush is a great leader and is doing a pretty darn good job under the circumstances. He said he was going after anybody that supports terrorism and he is keeping his promise. There is a difference between voicing opinions and giving comfort and encouragement to the enemy like the hateful democrats are doing now. The constant harping on Bush and such is giving the scums in Iraq encouragement in their attacks."
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at or near the time of the post above this one, someone was deleting their posts, which brought the threads up as if there were new posts. i didn't bump it that time (this time i did).
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Forest
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Tucson, AZ
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Mar 20, 2006 - 02:15pm PT
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Looking at the last two posts one after the other is well... interesting:
fyi- i am not the one bumping this old stuff
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Matt
Trad climber
places you shouldn't talk about in polite company
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since ammon recently caught judy posting here under a fake name, i thought i'd pull one of my old favorite threads up, where he calls bush a great prez and a great leader (see 4/7/04)
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ralph_teh_klimber
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ralph town
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the war in iraq is still going on? i thought we won that shite in 03'.
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Loomis
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Praha, Ceska Republika
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Matt, you must be very bored or you just have contempt/malice in your heart, enjoy :-)
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dirtbag
climber
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Matt, which avatar was he using? (i've been offline for a few days)
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Jaybro
Social climber
The West
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"We control" ?
Beyond that, I think Fattrad pretty much nailed the agenda.
We Are doomed.
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Loomis
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Praha, Ceska Republika
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RoboCat says: "I got your back Jody"
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Jaybro
Social climber
The West
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Vietnam rules? Got it.
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nature
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Flagstaff, AZ
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Hey Matt, that post to which you refer, is that also the one where Jody says that George Bush has never lied? Yeah... that one. LOL!
the people that matter have my back and that is what counts.
the people that have my back are what counts
same same?
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Spinmaster K-Rove
Trad climber
Stuck Under the Kor Roof
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"The Iraq thing is going great. We control a country that is strategicaly placed, have troops ready for Syria/Saudi and now own oil reserves (we'll pay fair market to the Iraqis). This is going almost to plan. "
If people weren't dying in droves this comment would be funny.
Who is in control? What plan? They couldn't have done this more half-assed and still called it a war. When Bill Krystal says 'huge mistakes' were made and calls it 'incompetent' you know you the conservatives are in trouble.
When the Dems take control of the House this fall and hold hearings its going to get ugly fast. Had the gov't focused on Iran and N Korea instead of the wild goose chase into Iraq we'd be in a much better position right now.
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MikeL
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Spin-Master K Rove wrote:
"When the Dems take control of the House this fall and hold hearings its going to get ugly fast. Had the gov't focused on Iran and N Korea instead of the wild goose chase into Iraq we'd be in a much better position right now."
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A better position to do what, for heaven's sake?
I'm not one who wanted to get involved in Iraq, but focus our attention on N Korea or Iran? In what way?
Yeah, let's pick on someone who has the balls and armaments to start something really nasty. Just what is it that you propose be done with the leadership of those countries?
MikeL
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dmalloy
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eastside
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"Yeah, let's pick on someone who has the balls and armaments to start something really nasty. Just what is it that you propose be done with the leadership of those countries?"
Nice to see this thread still around....I remember some guy in town telling me on the day of the first Iraqi election "What a great day. 94% voter participation!" Yeah....working out so well, isn't it?
As far as Iran and N. Korea - instigating violence with either has been and remains a horrible idea for a lot of reasons. What we have now done, however, is attacked a country that did NOT have any nucular program, while leaving alone two countries that are openly violating nucular treaties. Doesn't really send the right message regarding actions and consequences.
(I used to know how to spell that word....guess I spent too much time listening to our President. Nuclear.)
Building a global coalition against either country, diplomacy, sanctions....all of these would have helped our cause and won us friends and influence to deal with all kinds of global crises. War with Iraq has done the opposite.
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Spinmaster K-Rove
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Stuck Under the Kor Roof
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Iran would have been 3 years further away from enriching uranium. We would have the political credibility and world sentiment behind us from 9/11. We wouldn't have pissed a large portion of the world off by invading a country that had nothing to do with the attacks made on us in 2001. Nuclear proliferation is a subject that most of the world takes pretty seriously and that our government handles with extreme hypocrisy. I would much rather seen us use the capital that we had post-9/11 to create real change with N. Korea, force Pakistan to truly help fight the terrorist elements hiding in their country (catch Bin Laden maybe? Anyone remember that guy?) and avert the continuation of nuclear proliferation globally.
I'm not a diplomat or a foreign policy expert, nor are any of us, but most of us knew in 2003 and know now that the excursion into Iraq was going to be far costlier, far deadlier and far more complex than they were selling. The argument was far too contrived to be legitimate. Even now, as Jody and Fatty easily illustrate, many of those who were most eager for this war are unable to recognize the terrible disaster that it is and how much worse of a situation that we are in as a nation as a result of it. We are no safer with Saddam gone, there are no fewer people who want to kill us and we aren't any closer to freeing ourselves from the terrible oil addiction that steers our entire foreign policy.
The Iraqi people aren't fearing a terrible despot anymore, but they have traded an evil dictator for sectarian violence, unchecked crime and a complete vaccum of justice. Which is better? Choose your poison.
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Patrick Sawyer
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Originally California now Ireland
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Loomis, that RoboCat looks like one mean cat.
Jody, so you had us snookered with the akclimber handle. But the question is, why did you feel the need to 'snooker' us?
Seems a bit dishonest if you ask me. Sort of like George W Bush.
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dirtbag
climber
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This thread looks sillier and sillier the longer this quagmire continues.
Mission accomplished, huh?
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Matt
Trad climber
places you shouldn't talk about in polite company
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i admit that i still love this thread-
ahhhhh, the memories...
some guy that can't even spell "courage" wrote:
STFU Mutt!!!!!!
The Iraq thing is going great. We control a country that is strategicaly placed, have troops ready for Syria/Saudi and now own oil reserves (we'll pay fair market to the Iraqis). This is going almost to plan.
how's that sentiment sitting these days, i wonder?
btw- bushies, sayy buhbye ta yer best british bedbuddy blair, because buddy's been badgered badly, both sides begging blair to bail, bastante pronto. "b"aya con dios.
EDIT-
did you wanna revise that statement about "owning" the iraqi oil reserves?
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