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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Nov 27, 2011 - 12:04am PT
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Good decisions that I can make are absolutely no business of you or anyone else.
As I said, I don't need speed limit laws to keep me from driving dangerously. I want them to help rein in others.
What solutions do you have for the energy situation in America?
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Edit: Ack.. sucked into arguing with Skip again.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Nov 27, 2011 - 12:13am PT
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Don't forget that skipt lives in a remote hamlet in northern Washington, where for all I know he depends on a generator and solar panels for electricity, and a satellite link for internet. Probably no TV, long way to the pool hall and bar, wrong season for just about everything outdoors. We're providing a community service by keeping him off the street and entertained - imagine the trouble he'd get into if he was running around saying the sorts of things he says here.
It's for his own good. Have pity on the poor fellow.
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Nov 27, 2011 - 12:16am PT
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You are arguing over the patriotism of a consumer good as if it defines the ground and people who walk it.
Actually, I was arguing over something else. But I got sucked into arguing with someone who has to be kicked in the head to get him to change. I will leave the kicking to God.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Nov 27, 2011 - 12:48am PT
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We'll check with the chipmunks about the "ranching" bit, OK Alvin? Probably some of the LEB's black skwirrrrls.
I worked in Yakh for a summer, and it ain't far from Colville.
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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Nov 27, 2011 - 01:06am PT
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surgeons will always use those fancy lamps,
if i catch my doctor using a LED geek beacon i'm gonna bust up the place and steal all the clazophan.
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FRUMY
Trad climber
SHERMAN OAKS,CA
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Nov 27, 2011 - 01:14am PT
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Andre The Giant you be right.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Nov 27, 2011 - 01:52am PT
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It is verrrry difficult to read the 'grade' on any limburger even with a
6000K LEB light - the true light of reality.
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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Nov 27, 2011 - 01:54am PT
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sorry russ. these LED'sare made in...
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Trusty Rusty
Social climber
Tahoe area
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Nov 27, 2011 - 03:51am PT
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The only recovery from a boomslang bite is a hard suck.
You'll need more than a stuffed monkey.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Nov 27, 2011 - 11:35am PT
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With more widespread use, the LED technology will become much better, and much cheaper, as we have found with most technology.
When it does I may CHOOSE to use it. Until then I'D LIKE TO USE ANY F*#KING BULB I WANT!!!
To say this is about energy use is a red herring. We got plenty of energy at our disposal. Save your 'patriotic' crap for idiots. A real 'patriot' would endorse flipping the Arabs off and drilling off our coasts.
You people want it all ways without regard for reality.
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dirtbag
climber
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Nov 27, 2011 - 12:03pm PT
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This is a funny thread.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Nov 27, 2011 - 12:10pm PT
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This is a funny thread.
Priceless, really....
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Nov 27, 2011 - 12:24pm PT
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A lot of really thoughtful posts here. This was not one of them.
To say this is about energy use is a red herring. We got plenty of energy at our disposal. Save your 'patriotic' crap for idiots. A real 'patriot' would endorse flipping the Arabs off and drilling off our coasts.
Ignorance is one thing. Unless it is willful it can be corrected with education and information.
Being deliberately obstinate is another thing entirely.
These nay-sayers to progress would still be driving horse drawn wagons on dirt roads if not for the progressive minds who move society forward in-spite of the kicking screaming heel draggers. They would still be getting slivers in their backsides from backyard outhouses. Getting AssChapped from corn cobs jobs. Oh wait, that last one they will always do.
If they had been able to have their way all along they would have hunted whales to extinction to feed their lamps.
Simply put we do things better now than we did before. And should continue to try doing things better. They may want to argue that free market forces would get us their all the same but they would be wrong. The Big Three of Detroit did not willingly put seat belts and safety glass in cars.
Coal burning power plants did not willingly put scrubbers in their stacks. Exxon and BP would walk away from Oil Spills with no clean up effort at all if they could.
We as a whole have greatly benefited from investment in the common good. We have also greatly benefited from regulations to the free market forces focused solely on the quarterly profit report.
To say otherwise would be massively disingenuous. Though they will still scream SOCIALISM without thought about how they too benefit from fire departments, interstates and military defense paid for by the collective.
They just want to do whatever damn foolish wasteful thing they want when ever they damn well want to. So light up the whale oil lamps and let's go hunt us some buffalo.
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Nov 27, 2011 - 12:30pm PT
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Skipt, I am still waiting for you to answer the question of how your house gets 240V?
None of the other questions bears the slightest impact on the efficacy of LED lighting or the multitude of proper applications for them.
So the only point would be an attempt to discredit me. Just as you have with your Fabulous Fred Astaire implications that in your opinion I would have to be gay to disagree with you. Or your snarky gimp comments indicating that you think physical handicap lessens a person. Or your insistence that support of an indigenous Semitic peoples is anti-semite. It matters not. What the right wing mind has not recognized is that the world is waking up. Discrediting the messenger no longer discredits the message. Instead it makes the Snarky look childish and nasty.
Why shouldn't American Small Businesses receive American Government funds, incentives or rebates to implement energy savings or pollution reduction? Do those things not make a positive change that benefits US all? Do they not make economic sense for the businesses? Do the not provide for the opportunity for investment in and job growth for green tech? The red herring argument of Chinese production obfuscates the cause and effect paradigm. Just because the Right wing Capitalists forced deregulation that let them out source and off shore and 2nd mortgage America's future does not mean that we can't invest in a strong and sustainable future right here at home.
So here in Boulder Businesses like Neptunes are making the step towards a greener future by replacing inefficient lighting with modern systems not just because they understand it is the correct thing to do if you care about the planet, your bottom line and US economic future BUT also because Government incentives are making it easier. F*#kin SOCIALISM! Come on Guys seriously what is so wrong in your head about moving forward to a sustainable future? What does a hard working, hard strapped, small business owner, employer and job creator like Gary Neptune know that you don't get?
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Nov 27, 2011 - 01:11pm PT
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Yep! Simple math.
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nature
climber
back in Tuscon Aridzona....
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Nov 27, 2011 - 01:18pm PT
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110/220?
My enema injector runs on 330V.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Nov 27, 2011 - 01:26pm PT
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need a visual on that, Locker
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Nov 27, 2011 - 01:38pm PT
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Being deliberately obstinate is another thing entirely.
These nay-sayers to progress would still be driving horse drawn wagons on dirt roads if not for the progressive minds who move society forward in-spite of the kicking screaming heel draggers.
This where YOU are blind and obstinate. You assume too much.
I'm totally in favor of clean, effiecient energy. WTF wouldn't be???
Just let it happen. It will. Trying to foist it upon unwilling and unworkable markets is a disaster in the making. When it becomes feasable it will happen. And there is growing demand for it. But you cannot force it or mandate it.
Think Solyndra.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Nov 27, 2011 - 01:59pm PT
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I have had good luck with the CFL bulbs. they are $0.99 @ out local hardware store and many of the ones I use have been working for about 2 years. They are not quite as bright but they use a lot less energy and are bright enough. I am ok with that compromise.
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nature
climber
back in Tuscon Aridzona....
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Nov 27, 2011 - 02:39pm PT
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You can bitch and moan about if HD carries what you want or knot. it's their choice. deal with it and shop WalMart (and support China all the way home.....) I guess.
That said this is something I've been watching for some time.
I'd say about 8 years ago when the CFL's were "widely" available I replaced almost all my bulbs in my house in Flagstaff with CFL's. I saw an immediate difference in my electrical bill. Maybe only $5 savings per month but added up over the year the bulbs paid for themselves.
I learned a few years later about the mercury in them and that it's released when they break - and they do break. But they also last a considerable amount of time. Of course the process of making LED isn't totally "clean".
Fast forward to SushiFest's. I've got a 400 watt inverter that was pretty much intended for lighting of the SushiTent. Once I bought a 1000W generator it wasn't an issue.
At first I ran the CFL's but they broke in transit, etc. so the LED bulbs seemed like a good option and I gave them an (expensive) try. The light output blows.
I also run those strip/cord lights (10 to 50 footers) to help light the tent. They are incandescent and use a lot of juice so I can't run them (all) off of the inverter. There is also the issue of battery life (either truck or trailer [deep cycle on the latter).
I've shopped around for LED cord/strip lights but they are ridiculously expensive. I thought maybe while in India or Thailand I'd find the LED strips at a not so expensive price. Boy was I wrong. A 10' LED strip runs about 3000 Baht ($100). The light output and quality was very good - bright and white.
I've installed some LED's that run on 12v in my trailer and my camper and though they are not super bright they provide enough light to see what you are doing. I like the set up in the trailer and the cost of installation was inexpensive.
In my camper since I'm running it off the truck battery I use little LED tail lights. the 12V incandescent will zap the truck battery faster than you'd expect. I don't like busting out the jumper cables.
I charge the trailer with a solar panel so if that drains completely over the weekend it'll charge during the week/month and as it's deep cycle battery life isn't an issue (while it is with the truck battery).
So thus far I'm having mixed results.
I'm back to using the CFLs for a couple lights in the sushi tent and that provides enough light to see the fish we are slicing. I just make a point to remove them from the fixtures and protect them from damage.
The incandescent strip/rope lights don't handle being rolled out and than packed up that well. when they "short" in the "middle" the down-strip section is rendered useless. That's costly for the 50 footer which ran me about $45.
At my house I have to CFL's - otherwise I use incandescent. I use one inside for a "night light" and one outside on the porch. Both of these I can leave on all night long or while I'm away with minimal power usage.
I'd be more than happy to pay $5 a piece for an LED 110v bulb if it produced true white, and bright light. Doesn't seem to be the case yet.
YMMV - and it really depends on what you are using it for and why....
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