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Betelnut
Mountain climber
So. California
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Sep 12, 2012 - 06:29am PT
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Werner, are you in Yosemite or meeting other members of your
group at the Denver Airport?
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Jaytee
Trad climber
U.K.
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Sep 12, 2012 - 07:41am PT
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Do a two minute research on Susan Lindauer, read the Judges decision-making when deciding to dismiss the Govt. case against her.
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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Sep 12, 2012 - 10:06am PT
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"same time next year--"
it was fun sparring with dr. F up there, who has since admitted to LIHOPpery.
klimmer mentions david ray griffin, who was a point of contention between me and largo the year before. you see, largo had griffin for a philosophy professor in graduate school. griffin and largo's graduate advisor, john cobb, established the center for process studies at the claremont graduate school of theology, a rather intellectual mainstream protestant seminary. their schtick involved applications of the philosophy of alfred north whitehead, pretty esoteric stuff.
griffin authored more than 20 books in the course of his long academic career. when he began writing about 9/11 truth, his wife remarked: "you used to write books that put people to sleep. now you keep them awake."
griffin since persuaded cobb to join him on the dais at 9/11 truth conferences. cobb will now admit to being a "9/11 truther", but i think you have to back him into a corner and talk about your martial arts skills.
my erstwhile co-author, richard gage, keeps doing his schtick and claims quite a bit of airtime this year:
http://www2.ae911truth.org/actionalerts/2012/09/action_ESO_PBS.php
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Sep 12, 2012 - 10:34am PT
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To answer the question:
What Was In Building 7?
Curious is this:
One of the most interesting tenants was then-Mayor Giuliani's Office of Emergency Management, and its emergency command center on the 23rd floor. This floor received 15 million dollars worth of renovations, including independent and secure air and water supplies, and bullet and bomb resistant windows designed to withstand 200 MPH winds.
How curious that on the day of the attack, Guiliani and his entourage set up shop in a different headquarters, abandoning the special bunker designed precisely for such an event.
Ever wonder why Guiliani left his bunker?
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rectorsquid
climber
Lake Tahoe
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Sep 12, 2012 - 11:20am PT
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I know most people think this is a dead issue, and most have already made up their mind and refuse to approach the issue with an open mind. The implications are frightening I'll admit. But I ask people - especially if you haven't watched any of the various longer versions of the movie - to watch this short clip on the collapse of the World Trade Center number 7.
Politicians say it was caused by office fires. Scientists say by controlled demolition. Who do you trust.
As if you have an open mind to the possibility that it was what is seemed and nothing more.
The open mind thing goes both ways.
Dave
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raymond phule
climber
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Sep 12, 2012 - 12:36pm PT
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How curious that on the day of the attack, Guiliani and his entourage set up shop in a different headquarters, abandoning the special bunker designed precisely for such an event.
Ever wonder why Guiliani left his bunker?
Because it was to close to the attack?
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Sep 12, 2012 - 12:59pm PT
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The bunker was put there because the WTC was considered to be a target. If they didn't want it close to where an attack might occur, then why put it there to begin with? Also, the bunker was bomb-proofed, and the attacks were more or less over--WTC7 was not a target, not tall enough.
Remember: "..., abandoning the special bunker designed precisely for such an event."
Got a better answer?
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Sep 12, 2012 - 01:01pm PT
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As if you have an open mind to the possibility that it was what is seemed and nothing more.
It seemed like controlled demolition. Even news anchors thought so.
Funny, that was one cause that was never researched or investigated ...
An open mind considers all possibilities. Controlled demolition was not considered in the investigation because of closed minds (or perhaps for other reasons).
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Sep 12, 2012 - 01:04pm PT
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PBS has released a video, which has become viral, documenting expert testimony from explosive professionals regarding World Trade Center #7. Not sure what they're saying cause I'm loading up up now to watch later, but here's the link
http://video.cpt12.org/video/2270078138
Peace
Karl
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monolith
climber
albany,ca
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Sep 12, 2012 - 01:38pm PT
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Don't confuse them with the obvious answers Raymond, let them circle jerk without distractions.
It's their special time of the year.
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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Sep 12, 2012 - 01:42pm PT
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that's richard gage's recent work, karl, which i have also linked above. as i've said earlier on this thread, all gage needs is an hour of your time, and an open mind, and you start to see the light.
as someone noted previously, open minds work both ways. however an open mind which also happens to be curious will investigate, ask questions, and think for itself. eventually "both ways" ceases to be relevant.
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Sep 12, 2012 - 01:44pm PT
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Even news anchors thought so
wow, thanks. now i too know that it must be true...
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Batrock
Trad climber
Burbank
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Sep 12, 2012 - 02:00pm PT
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I have been a career fireman for the Los Angeles Fire Dept. for 25 years and a registered Republican almost as long. After 9-11 I was pissed and wanted someone to pay the price of the fallen. Over the years my view about the events that happened have changed dramatically as have most of the guys i work with who have started asking questions and not just blindly buy the conclusion presented to us by our government. The year I was hired there was a highrise fire in the First Interstate building in LA, then the highest building on the west coast. The fire burned for hours at high temps with little structural compromise. Over the years around the world other modern buildings have burned for hours and even days yet none fell. I will admit that having a jet slam into the towers changes things and might account for their collapse, but what about Building 7? Firefighters in both the Towers and Building 7 said they heard and felt blasts and a few in the basement areas the buildings minutes prior to the collapse. That Building 7 fell from fire alone smells pretty fishy. That the debris was picked up and sold immediately and did not undergo forensic study in fishy. Stuff just doesnt add up.
I have lost faith and trust in our leaders and their explanations of events past and present.
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stevep
Boulder climber
Salt Lake, UT
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Sep 12, 2012 - 02:21pm PT
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Well, there were scientific studies done on what happened. On both WTC 7 and the Twin Towers. Certainly one can say that those were part of a cover-up, but that doesn't necessarily make it true.
And yes, the First Interstate building and other large buildings didn't collapse. But they weren't necessarily built the same way as WTC, and they didn't have loaded jetliners fly into them and dump hundreds or thousands of gallons of jet fuel into them. Not an apples to apples comparison.
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cliffhanger
Trad climber
California
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Sep 12, 2012 - 02:27pm PT
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If there was no conspiracy we would not be having this debate because all the evidence, especially the steel frame, would have been saved both for analyzing the crime and to develop better engineering for future buildings. There would be no speculation on how the buildings failed because the steel remains would tell the exact story.
All the evidence was gotten rid of with great speed and efficiency. The steel was all shipped to the China and Korea and melted down in steel mills. It's a crime to destroy evidence of a crime. And it's a crime to destroy evidence needed for an engineering examination.
The only reason to destroy all the evidence was to cover up a big crime committed by the US Government.
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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Sep 12, 2012 - 02:46pm PT
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Seeing it proven in a court of law that there WAS a conspiracy to execute Martin Luther King, and that there was sworn testimony from several sources that there were 2 Army sniper teams of 2 soldiers in the area (one filmed the event from the roof of the fire station across the way, per court testimony from the fire captain who physically let them into the building) has made me disbelieve other things our government is saying.
However, this is way out there.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Sep 12, 2012 - 03:40pm PT
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wow, thanks. now i too know that it must be true...
 Hawkeye
Nothing like a smug reply, eh?
Apparently, you and Raymond can't open your minds enough to ask the obvious question, which is, "Could it have been controlled demolition?"
If you are open enough to ask this question, then you will begin to see that yes, it could have been. From there, the idea is to investigate whether or not it was.
The "officials" never asked, and they never investigated this path. Your minds, like theirs, are closed to the possibility. Not only that, but saying that you now "know that it must be true" reveals you to be less than inquisitive.
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WBraun
climber
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Sep 12, 2012 - 03:41pm PT
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All the truth is in Popular Mechanics.
It's the god damn gospel truth of what happened.
All the sheep read it along with the NY times ......
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raymond phule
climber
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Sep 12, 2012 - 03:54pm PT
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Apparently, you and Raymond can't open your minds enough to ask the obvious question, which is, "Could it have been controlled demolition?"
Or could they have moved out of the emergency center because it was to close to large buildings penetrated with airplanes?
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