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healyje

Trad climber

Portland, Oregon

Nov 20, 2005 - 09:23pm PT

Jody,

Their intent was to invade on taking the Presidency, 9/11 was simply the opportunity they were looking for. No evidence for "Cherry Picking"? You're kidding right? How about an entirely new "intelligence" office in the Pentagon that not only cherry picked, but resuscitated discredited intelligence for use in the State of the Union address?

WMD's were the single justification for the war that it was sold to the UN, the US Congress, and the American public. To answer Karl's question - they are incopetent and criminal, treasonously so.

Spinmaster K-Rove

Trad climber

Stuck Under the Kor Roof

Nov 20, 2005 - 11:08pm PT

"Win the Whitehouse and Congress and do something about it then. "

Thank you for proving my point. :-)

Karl Baba

Trad climber

Yosemite, Ca

Nov 21, 2005 - 12:01am PT

You're right Jody, no matter who wins in 2008, things will likely get worse. Chickens will come home to roost and there will be no magic bullet. (insert more catch phrases here)

If things haven't started to obviously go to pot by 2008, I might have to vote for McCain just so the Dems don't get blamed for it all.

The Dems are to blame though, even though the GOP deserves a larger share of the blame. It's human nature that's ultimately to blame.

We're just not able to make the sacrifices today to make tomorrow sustainable. "Sustainable" is just a hippy catch phrase until tomorrow arrives and the definition of "Unsustainable" is spelled out by reality

Peace

karl

Spinmaster K-Rove

Trad climber

Stuck Under the Kor Roof

Nov 21, 2005 - 02:31am PT

Yeah things are going to get worse. Jody I explain in quite a bit of detail how I think Bush could make them get better in another post. You have never been one to respond to *any* of my susbtantive posts, however. I only get your attention if I'm belligerent.

The problem is that this entire thing was set up for failure. Arrogance in planning and massive assumptions about what would happen post-'mission accomplished' banner have set the course of things. All we can do now is move things a little to a new direction. It would really help if the people who voted for our President on his platform of 'personal responsibility' would hold him to that for a change. You know, the guy who couldnt admit one mistake about the war. Kinda funny really. Kinda. Almost. Ok not funny...more scary.

Spinmaster K-Rove

Trad climber

Stuck Under the Kor Roof

Nov 21, 2005 - 02:36am PT

Jody the only thing that makes Mcain a Democrat is that most of the time he refuses to blindly parrot whatever pompous lie the Republican talking points happen to be pushing on that given day and he makes decisions based on what he thinks would actually be best for the country. He is my Senator here in Arizona, and while I disagree with most of his political positions, he is one of the few prominent Republicans with whom I can appreciate his thought process and see that, even though I disagree with him, he is a decent and respectful human being. During the 2004 election he would actually stop people like Sean Hannity to debunk the lies they were telling about Kerry's voting record, not because he wanted Kerry to win but because they were lies about a fellow senator and they were disrespectful.

So if 'not lying' and 'being respectful' make one a Democrat, then yeah I guess he's a RINO.

Gary

climber

Desolation Basin, Calif.

Nov 21, 2005 - 02:20pm PT

JodyIf the Democrats win, and things get worse(which they will), they will still blame everything on Bush. After all, he IS satan/Hitler/Stalin/Pinocchio all wrapped up in one.

Hahahahahahahahaha!!!

Right, Jody! Things are so much better now that Clinton is gone! And of course Republicans NEVER blame anything on Clinton! LOL!

Is there an award for most hilarious post of the year? I nominate this one from Jody.

Hootervillian

climber

Shady Acres behind Kmart®

Nov 21, 2005 - 02:31pm PT

sorry about the OT.....didn't want to start 'another political thread'...

Hey FT,
what's going on in the Homeland™?
good name though, i guess you can't call something like the National Responsibility Party™ a splinter faction.

i'll go and take my indicted son and cronies with me. PM Sharon

do you think an NRP™ would sell here at home?

OT Ed. How'd the Saud's get into the WTO so easily?

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/10115837/site/newsweek/

UncleDoug

Social climber

N. lake Tahoe

Nov 21, 2005 - 04:26pm PT

Jody, et. al.

Thanks for the enlightenment and your participation.

I am helping a young friend with a paper about human interaction on web forums.
We have been expoloring how & why people tend to do away with the normal courtesys of face-to-face discourse in forums, the soclial structure of forums & how subjects in forums morph or tangent as opposed to the forum subject and the original post that starts a thread.
I suggested this forum to her because, well the obvious.

So far this has been the most un-civil of them all.
Even more than a couple of the political forums. Whew!

Any way, In all reality I respect your right to say anything you want. It is many oppinions and our ability to express them that makes the principal of this country great! Still don't agree with you though.

Get out of this forum, get on a wall and enjoy the late summer!

Spinmaster K-Rove

Trad climber

Stuck Under the Kor Roof

Nov 22, 2005 - 12:33pm PT

I don't really think airstrikes can be considered more than just that. Maybe you should clarify what you mean by 'war' because anything beyond the occaisional strategic strike and maybe a handful of SpecOps on the ground will send Bush's numbers even lower.

dirtbag

climber

Nov 22, 2005 - 12:41pm PT

And how many thousands of soldiers would've been killed taking over the country and occupying it all these years?

That was not the mission of the first Gulf War nor what the allies--many of whom were Arab countries--had signed up for. Bush I and Clinton had it right all along.

dirtbag

climber

Nov 22, 2005 - 12:44pm PT

And btw, for those who still have faith in this completely FUBAR administration, here is a fine example of Bush's disdain for free speech. He suggested bombing Al Jazeera in Qatar. And btw, we are not at war with Qatar.

Article

Even if he is "only" kidding, it was an unfunny and irresponsible statement for someone in his position to say.

Foocking incompetent fascist!

healyje

Trad climber

Portland, Oregon

Nov 22, 2005 - 12:54pm PT

Rajmit: "The United States would not be in Iraq if Clinton had followed through with the plan created by George H. W. Bush! If Clinton has removed Saddam Hussein from power, two thousand soldiers could still be alive today!"

Raj, hopefully you're better at your major than you are at history. Bush Sr.'s plan was containment - he explicitly left Saddam in power to prevent a vacuum that would result in a civil war that would only inflame neighboring countries and the entire Middle East. Once again to be really clear - Bush Sr. had no plan whatsoever to remove Saddam from power. Had Bush Jr. a wit of foreign policy experience or half a clue about the region he would never have started the war. As it stands now there is unfortunately no 12-Step program to help him with the pain of this withdrawl and likely another two thousand will die before he bumbles his way out of Iraq.

Patrick Sawyer

climber

Originally California now Ireland

Nov 22, 2005 - 12:57pm PT

"Also, lets hold posthumous hearings on why LBJ staged the whole Gulf of Tonkin episode to get us into a war where 65,000+ Americans died."

I thought everyone knew that it was Eisenhower that initially got us into Vietnam and that Kennedy and LBJ ‘just’ escalated the involvement.

War is war but not every war is the same. I think it is disingenuous of people to try to say it was the Democrats who got us involved in WW1, WW2, Vietnam etc and I also think that there is a big difference between those conflicts, especially the two world wars, and Iraq2. The reasons are different and to pretend other wise is naïve or idiotic.