The sad truth about California climbing.

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Loomis

climber

Peklo Vole!

Jun 16, 2012 - 10:32pm PT

Jim, I can take you to climbing areas (in California) you have never "seen", you can name then and delete this thread.

murcy

Gym climber

sanfrancisco

Jun 16, 2012 - 11:17pm PT

I confess to firing a home-made potato cannon into a merely "probably" empty sf canyon. I further confess that my then 10yo son and I may possibly have giggled.

Tony Bird

climber

Northridge, CA

Jun 16, 2012 - 11:26pm PT

geeziz, mouse, you get on donini's case for ignorance about california and then you give us the hicktown rundown about what los angeles should and should not be. move down here and suffer a little.

people act as though gasoline were $1.99 a gallon. if you don't want to spend more time in the car than on the crag, you learn to love the choss. westsiders who climb nothing but great granite are like kids from germ-free environments--if you get away from it, you're a goner.

the inspiration for the OP ought to be obvious to any californian. coloradoans all have advanced cases of coast envy.

"potatoe"--that was a joke, right?

Mighty Hiker

climber

Vancouver, B.C.

Jun 17, 2012 - 12:32am PT

Possibly few here know that B.C.'s Pemberton Valley (~150 km north of Vancouver, past that place with the skiing) is the source of many of the seed potatoes used elsewhere in North America. Due to relative isolation, potatoes there are virus-free and stuff. http://pembertonbc.com/

Jan

Mountain climber

Okinawa, Japan

Jun 17, 2012 - 12:54am PT

Potatos and Sherpas.

Did you know that the poorest Sherpas who carry the heaviest loads eat up to
12 pounds of them a day? So much for scientific training diets!

And for Anders:

The Sherpas settled Solu Khumbu when they were still growing barley.
They only got the potato about 1850 by carrying it on their backs from
British gardens in Darjeeling to the Everest region.

This created a population boom and a surplus that enabled them to build
temples and monastaries and become big time traders.

I actually have a map of all the main Sherpa villages in Nepal and
how many generations they've had the potato.
I bet nobody has done that in Idaho.

Mighty Hiker

climber

Vancouver, B.C.

Jun 17, 2012 - 01:13am PT

Well, that's a fascinating historical factoid. I'd read somewhere that seemed reliable that potatoes (plural) were introduced into India fairly early on, but the tidbit about the Sherpas continuing to grow barley, and eventually adding potatoes in the 19th century, is news. But the growth of the area being based on both barley and the potato (singular), and of course trade, makes sense.

Is there any study as to the expansion of farming and settlement in Khumbu, correlated as to date, population and crop? They've done that sort of thing in Norway, and found that some fields that were tilled in the 13th and 14th centuries were abandoned during the Black Death, and still haven't been reoccupied. Plus they've tracked what was grown, where, for example to look at what happened when potatoes were introduced, even though it was during a time of worse climate. (Barley and oats were the main traditional grain crops, of course.) Fascinating stuff, which you need a respectable computer to make sense of, as there's reams of data.

And yeah, who'd've thunk that Jim was so interested in potatoe cannons?

MisterE

Social climber

Jun 17, 2012 - 01:13am PT

Nice troll, Jim - you sure know where to strike!

mouse from merced

Trad climber

merced, california

Jun 17, 2012 - 01:35am PT

Tony, I have lived in SoCal--SD, Culver City, and Oxnard, and of course spent a lot of time in Box Cyn. I loathe LA. You Angelenos are welcome to the chossy, freeway-dominated lifestyle. Nobody's making you stay there, mon.

Let's quit the regional slams, okay? Proves only that we are stupid. Bloom where you grow.

Dan Quayl (sic) was a joke. Right?

WBraun

climber

Jun 17, 2012 - 01:42am PT

The "potato" is the King of vegetables.

and the "mango" is the king of fruits .......

wstmrnclmr

Trad climber

Bolinas, CA

Jun 17, 2012 - 01:45am PT

Jebus....was at Arches Apron area recently on a beautiful weekend day. No one there except the birds and climbs put up over thirty years ago. All rebolted and just waiting. If no pacifiers to suck on (re: cams etc.) then climbs are empty. Just you and the birds. F Colarado. Everybody moved there thinking they getting away from it. Boulder was a great place........twenty years ago.

wstmrnclmr

Trad climber

Bolinas, CA

Jun 17, 2012 - 02:32am PT

Man..I miss Rokjox...at least that guy honestly mixed it up...even if you are from Idaho.....

Jennie

Trad climber

Elk Creek, Idaho

Jun 17, 2012 - 04:27am PT

Do people in states with fewer mountains have higher I.Q.?

According to this source, Mass has the highest average IQ and North Dakota has second highest. But mountainous Wyoming has high average IQ. And dear Idaho is 5th highest IQ in the west.

Is IQ related to terrain, temperature or....yes, places with highest percentage of Norwegian ancestry ? :-)

http://www-958.ibm.com/software/data/cognos/manyeyes/visualizations/iq-by-state-us-2

Stewart Johnson

climber

lake forest

Jun 17, 2012 - 10:30am PT

nepalise potatoes grown in the khumbu are the best tasting potatoes on the planet.

Tony Bird

climber

Northridge, CA

Jun 17, 2012 - 10:32am PT

mister mouse, you are a piece of work.

I loathe LA. You Angelenos are welcome to the chossy, freeway-dominated lifestyle.

and in the same breath:

Let's quit the regional slams, okay?

but at least you understand the principles of vowel rationing.

mister E has it right. this is an old troll. eddie haskell donini is smirking at his computer in the san juans, delighted to have californians bickering with each other again. he even got a californian to bump it. but he also knows that coast envy is a worse fate than dorian gray's.