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wildone
climber
Where you want to be
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Re: Homeboy sights, I have been using this method for years. You guys are really doing a disservice to it by not mentioning it's biggest advantage over the traditional "sight in line with the gripframe" pos style:
I used to spend so much time crawling around on my hands and knees looking for errant brass to reload. Now I get a clear unobstructed view of every shell while hot brass bounces off my forehead, and occaisionaly, my eyeballs themselves!
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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I think it depends on twists if you're looking for performance, but obviously the 62s will give a bit more long range accuracy.
Still, the same 55gr boat tail on my .22-250 bench shooter gives sub MOA at a quarter mile.
The price of 5.56 has become obscene!
Glad I've been sitting on 10K+ rounds.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Wildone,
too funny!
Yeah, I used to have a 1911 that would keep ejecting brass into my forehead.
After a few hours of shooting I'd have these crescent shaped lacerations all over. People'd see me and say WTF!
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Standing Strong
Trad climber
the secret life of T*R
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"SumOfIgnorance.com, AlaskaStories.com, BarbecueNight.com, ProjectNight.com, Solve.ws, ParkServiceCorruption.com, CourtCorruption.com, among others."
i meant websites that arn't totally slanted
you're dumb. stop talking to me.
T*R.com
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Will you two get a room!
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Shack
Big Wall climber
Reno NV
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Tradman,
Wolf steel cased ammo runs in your SKS because it was made for steel cased ammo, like the AK was.
I do not recommend running it in an AR or a Mini.
You will break extractors and may damage the chamber.
Definitely do not run steel cased in a hand gun.
Most indoor ranges have banned it (in handguns) because of catastrophic failures.
Trivia Question:
Is there any difference between a gun chambered for 5.56 and
one chambered for .223?
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tolman_paul
Trad climber
Anchorage, AK
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Websites that aren't slanted voicing political opinions, that is funny.
Unless one is just looking for a gun to fill a historical niche, I'd agree AR over AK. I've never understood the appeal of just shooting a gun to hear it go bang. I'm not accuracy obsessed, but I'm also not going to sacrifice it either if not necessary.
Want cheap, get a 10/22, couple of banana mags, and as many bricks of 22lr as you can afford. Nothing generates a grin like a 22.
If you want a military style weapon, the AR-15 is a very versatile platform. If you want more punch than the 5.56 offers, get and AR-10 in 7.62X51.
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Jingy
Social climber
Flatland, Ca
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Piton Ron - Just read your earlier post about the "field strip/reassemble" contest...
One person I would not want to be put into a field strip/reassemble contest with it Ron!
I know that guy knows all this stuff. He seems to eat, sleep, dream guns.
I hope PMB goes for the action anyway. I want video of that test.
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paganmonkeyboy
climber
mars...it's near nevada...
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 2, 2008 - 11:20pm PT
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interesting shack - so steel is a no no ? even in a stainless steel model ? i thought stainless might be a little harder than just the blued...
reloads aren't recommended in it either, according to the manual, and its 500 bucks for a thousand rounds of new brass at best...
jingy - you got it man - gimme like a month to get ready, then ron will crush me anyways ;-)
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paganmonkeyboy
climber
mars...it's near nevada...
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 2, 2008 - 11:34pm PT
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o man, even the dali has an ak...now i feel even more inadequate ;-)
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Robb
Social climber
Pick Up Truck Heaven
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Ahhh....Dali say "Grasshopper, why you bring FAL to AK party?"
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Because its the better 7.62 mm, Robb.
Hey, just got back. I don't have to go into the 5.56 X 45 thing do I Shack?
Your question, your discourse. YOU explain it, I'm drinking, uh, I mean THINKING about other things.
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paganmonkeyboy
climber
mars...it's near nevada...
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 3, 2008 - 01:19am PT
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shack asked "Is there any difference between a gun chambered for 5.56 and one chambered for .223?"
isn't the 5.56 running at a higher chamber pressure ? 5k vs 6 ?
http://www.thegunzone.com/556v223.html
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Once you get past the stiff trigger pull my scoped SKS is a nail driver out to 300m Never had a range longer than that to play with??
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Just did a bit of googleing and I see that there are all kinds of synthetic stock options, magazine options as well as a whole slew of new scope mounts etc. for my SKS Considering that I only paid $119.00 for the rifle in the first place it looks like I may be able to build somthing mighty interesting for an additional 100 to150 bucks.
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Doug Buchanan
Trad climber
Fairbanks Alaska
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Enjoyed climbing the Ice Tower in Fairbanks today. More enjoyed the photo of the Dali Lama with his AK.
Not to trouble the mind of my good friend Piton, after an extra snap of Alaska anti-freeze, after belaying a bit long in the nasty cold wind at the top of the Ice Tower, were the initial advisers of the Dali Lama wise, they would have first taught him to reasonably handle all the human-made weapons, but then taught him the process to never need them to manifest what the weapons people perpetually fail to achieve with weapons.
They failed the former for the same reason the gun folks fail the later.
It is just knowledge. Anyone can learn it.
Do as the Dali Lama failed to do. Learn to reasonably handle guns. And then learn the process to not need them. It is just knowledge, learned by asking and answering the questions that the gun people and Dali Lama fear to ask.
But keep a good moose gun, caribou gun, people gun and an ice axe, because they offer much knowledge if you adequately question their concept.
DougBuchanan.com
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paganmonkeyboy
climber
mars...it's near nevada...
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 6, 2008 - 11:09am PT
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and a plinker, doug...don't forget the plinker ;-)
tradman - yeah i've seen all that too - there's a lot of options for some guns, and that sks was made by the millions iirc so there are a few of them kicking around ;-) i find the fixed mag concept interesting...
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Apr 13, 2008 - 07:23pm PT
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So I just ran some tests on Wolf 7.62x39 ammo with my chrony.
122gr hollow point. black box advertised @ 2,396fps My test with 5 rounds.
5 round avrege 2,527 fps is 131fps over advertised velocity
high 2,565fps
low 2,476fps
devation 89fps
Miitary classic 124g hollow point. Advertised @2,330fps
my 5 round average 2,409fps is 79fps over the advertised velocity.
high 2,452fps
low 2,378fps
deviation 74fps
The 124g militarry classic seemed to be a bit more consistant than the 122g but then the sixth round of the mil classic ammo did not count for my 5 rnd test but it was way hot @2,562fps with a deviation of 184fps from my slowest round. Overall this stuff runs a bit hot for 7.62 short? I am drilling and tapping a new side mount for the scope this week so I will not try any printing untill that project is complete. I do wonder if this ammo is consistant enough to get decent groups? I did get a 3 shot MOA 100yrd group years ago with surplus ammo and this rifle. Fun springtime project. Installed the Draganov stock which makes it a heavy beast but it increased the length of pull considerably and makes for a solid shooting platform.
Does anyone have any experience with precision rifle shooting to know how much deviation in ammo is acceptable??
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Shack
Big Wall climber
Reno NV
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Apr 13, 2008 - 07:47pm PT
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Which stock did you get?
This is the stock I have for my SKS...I love it.
http://www.milsurpstuff.com/proddetail.asp?prod=180302
It's much better than the ATI.
And now to answer the trivia Question:
What's the difference between .223 and 5.56?
Answer:
1) The 5.56 round has a length .002 longer than the .223 round.
2) The 5.56 round has a slightly steeper shoulder angle.
The bottom line is, you shouldn't fire 5.56 in a rifle chambered for .223, but it's OK to shoot .223 in a 5.56.
More on the differences here from Winchester.
http://www.winchester.com/lawenforcement/news/newsview.aspx?storyid=11
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Shack
Big Wall climber
Reno NV
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Apr 13, 2008 - 08:18pm PT
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The best all around home defense gun is a pump shotgun with like a 20" barrel.
Something like this Mossberg 590...just add a pistol grip!
http://www.uberarms.com/ms50645.html
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