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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Sep 16, 2010 - 01:23pm PT
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And it wasn't good.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Sep 16, 2010 - 01:43pm PT
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Too funny, Dirtbag!
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dirtbag
climber
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Sep 16, 2010 - 02:11pm PT
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I agree, Lois has gotten far, far more nasty sh#t here than she has ever dished out.
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Sep 16, 2010 - 02:42pm PT
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I really don't have the time to read this old thread. I don't even try to follow LEB threads. Looking at the first couple of posts I found this very funny.
Karl Baba:
And when their responses inevitably turn into a self-referential feedback loop We're all guilty of Loisification around this joint. Ain't that part of the ego gratification component of the internet forum super glue?
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Sep 16, 2010 - 03:23pm PT
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Absolutely so.....BUT, I did NOT call Oxymoron (or you) a "stupid bitch" ... or, (more accurately, since I suspect you are both males) a "stupid prick." I exercised, at least, some modicum of politeness.
You are right Lois, you didn't do these things. You just have this supercilious tone that is guaranteed to piss people off. Sometimes I think you don't realize this, and other times I think that you are doing it on purpose. How dare someone question me. I am always right. You are a fool for questioning me.
You talk down to people, so they talk down back to you. Then when that elicits no response, they resort to name calling. Round and round it goes and you don't see your part.
You think not resorting to name calling makes your superior, but it doesn't, because of the supercilious tone.
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Oxymoron
Big Wall climber
total Disarray
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Sep 16, 2010 - 04:20pm PT
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If I met you in person, I'd still call you a stupid bitch.
Probably worse, you've got it coming.
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Sep 16, 2010 - 04:47pm PT
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I can't help but think that the "mindset" of this forum is very liberal, accordingly, there is "open season" on GOP i.e. conservative women. Such a person becomes a convenient target upon which to vent all the frustrations they hold for Bush, Cheney, etc. Any measure of civility goes out the window.
Oh.. stop blaming others and playing the "poor conservative woman" victim card. This opinion is exactly what I am talking about. Well.. mercy me.. no one else thinks that I act arrogant, it muuuuust be you. blah blah. I have shown you dozens of times how arrogant your communication is. You never seem to learn. You are the energizer bunny of arguing. There is no end to your arguing. You argue to hear yourself talk. You brag about how long you can argue.
This holds a key for you..
WRONG, WRONG, WRONG.
Your correctness depends on how one pronounces your avatar. So both answers can be correct; both can be incorrect. Even after having this pointed out, you maintain you were correct. If you can't see the other point of view on a simple thing like this, then you are not a reasonable person.
you responded with..
I don't care that he disagreed. In fact, YOU held the key to the whole thing namely how one pronounces it. Technically, you were correct (as was I) depending on how one pronounces the word. The problem was the vulgar name-calling. It gets tiresome after a while. In this case the vulgarity came from oxymoron. Your post was not the problem, as I recall.
No.. he is not "technically" correct. He is correct. By saying "technically", you are trying to make him sound wrong, in an effort to never admit that you were in part wrong. This is arrogance.
Your problem is that you think humbleness is a sign of weakness, when in fact it shows true strength. The strength of character that allows one to see when one makes a mistake, thus enabling them to grow at all times. That is true strength. Instead, you defend your beliefs to the death. That is the false ego. The funny part is that it is your death that will occur, as your ego can only lead you to death. But that is a whole nother area of conversation.
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dirtbag
climber
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Sep 16, 2010 - 04:56pm PT
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I just can't imagine calling anyone a stupid bitch.
Especially Lois. Jeezus, some of you guys are wound way too tightly.
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Sep 16, 2010 - 04:57pm PT
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Death by keyboard.
You got that right. But I feel bored and Lois is strangely compelling. So innocent sounding at times, and yet so deadly. "I only voted for George Bush twice because I thought that he would keep me safe". Weird sh#t. Whole countries were brought to ruin with her kind of thinking. The problem is that you can't beat it to death. It won't die.
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nutjob
Trad climber
Berkeley, CA
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Sep 16, 2010 - 05:10pm PT
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Malemute said:
On the other hand, if YOU are impervious to logic & reason, then you should be called names.
Or, instead of calling someone names, you can do as Karl suggested in the original post and just walk away.
I used to behave as in Malemute's suggestion when I was in a difficult marriage and couldn't cope with what I perceived as an audience impervious to logic and reason. My life got a lot better when I figured out how to walk away instead of reverting to name-calling.
Edit: I make a habit of not checking on LEB threads, but it was started by Karl and curiosity got the better of me this time. I'm ducking out before I share fates with the proverbial cat.
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Sep 16, 2010 - 05:32pm PT
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Where I draw exception is in using abusive language and attacking the person on other points/threads (which have nothing to do with politics) because of their views.
and where I draw exception is with your superior tone.
I do not feel like a "victim" I
It doesn't matter how you feel. It matters how you act. You pretend like you are a "poor poor conservative" long suffering woman. You used the excuse. I didn't.
You all are perfectly happy with the forum just the way it is and that is just fine
Stop trying to pigeon hole me. I do not like the name calling. I have apologized many times for my own name calling and I have asked people to stop many many times. I even voted to kick Crowley out because he couldn't control himself. So don't try to pigeon hole me. It is how you try to demean people and is another aspect of arrogance. It makes you feel better about yourself.
So basically you are wrong on every point, which is exactly why we are pissed at you. You are entitled to your opinion, and to whomever you vote for. But when you fail to see, and acknowledge and learn from your mistakes, when in fact you flat out refuse to acknowledge your mistakes by trying to say that no one could have forseen Bush's ineptitude, or trying to excuse your vote by saying that you thought the other guy would be worse, then you are just being obstinate and refusing to acknowledge your own mistake. It is that which pisses me off. It is pure arrogance and will be the ruin of this country, even this world.
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divad
Trad climber
wmass
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Sep 16, 2010 - 05:54pm PT
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aren't we at "the loising point" yet?
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Sep 16, 2010 - 06:07pm PT
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Obtuse comes to mind. Did I not say,, it doesn't matter how you feel. It matters how you act.
Good night Lois. I'm done.
And yes, we have reached the loising point long ago. Passed it many many times.
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divad
Trad climber
wmass
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Sep 16, 2010 - 06:31pm PT
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listen, then engage brain before putting mouth in gear
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Sep 16, 2010 - 07:02pm PT
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It doesn't matter how you feel. It matters how you act. You pretend like you are a "poor poor conservative" long suffering woman. You used the excuse. I didn't.
Again, I do NOT feel like a victim.
I said earlier that it didn't matter how you felt if you acted like one and yet you say.. "Again, I do not FEEL LIKE a victim". Why did you say that you didn't FEEL like a victim when I told you that it didn't matter how you felt, that it mattered how you acted? Perhaps because you don't really try to understand where a person is coming from or what they are actually saying? You just check to see if you agree with them, and if you don't, then you argue. That or you prejudge where they are coming from using black and white logic.
You acted like a victim by saying that you were picked on because you were a conservative female. You aren't picked on because you are a conservative female. You are picked on because you are arrogant and have a supercilious tone. You are right and NO ONE is going to be able to tell you differently, no matter the facts. How many times have you ignored facts? That is your attitude. That is arrogance.
Here is an example. You thought that we went to war with Iraq because it was involved in 911. You believed this and no matter how many different ways we showed you, you didn't believe us until someone you trusted showed you. It didn't matter how many different publications or what source we showed you, you still believed what you wanted to believe. You even said a source that you normally rely on wasn't reliable, which was hilarious and sad considering that you had earlier quoted it as being reliable. This is how you defend your beliefs. No matter what you are shown, if it disagrees with what you believe, then it is wrong. That... is arrogance.
Once you understand that, then you will be able to understand what I am saying and why I get frustrated. You epitomize the republican party in your ignorant arrogance. That is why I try to understand you, because no matter what you think of me, I do respect the republican party and want it back to what it once was. An actual representative of conservative values. It no longer represent that. It represents arrogance.
Here is something for you to think about. Some of the most arrogant people on this planet are also the most civil. Being civil is not proof that one isn't arrogant. Arrogance stems from pride. If you pride yourself on civility, then of course you will be civil. But is it really being civil if you talk down to someone?.... Nope. Calling names is not civil, neither is talking down to someone. Two sides of the same coin.
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Douglas Rhiner
Mountain climber
Tahoe City/Talmont , CA
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Sep 16, 2010 - 07:07pm PT
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LEB,
It goes to the whole thing of the child asking "why?" 43 times in a conversation that has been going on for 1 minute.
The inquisitiveness is good, but the "why?" gets annoying.
You are the adult version of this scenario.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Sep 16, 2010 - 07:14pm PT
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Can someone who is an objective observer PLEASE explain the dynamics of what is going on to me.
You condescend to people and they resent it, often causing them to 'act-out' in a rude manner. Not being an attentive listener, (ie; causing people to repeat themselves), doesn't particularly help defuse this dynamic.
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LED
Social climber
the great beyond
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Sep 16, 2010 - 07:37pm PT
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Sep 16, 2010 - 07:38pm PT
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Such grammar for an educated man. You mean, they are AN LEB. What is the matter with you.
This is sneering condescension. Yes, we know that you have been attacked by Dr F. but you pretend civility when in fact you take glee in trying to demean him. That is condescending.
Any time you think someone has attacked you, you speak this way to them. You pretend civility. See how nice I speak to you.. as the acid drips off your tongue.
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Oxymoron
Big Wall climber
total Disarray
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Sep 16, 2010 - 07:46pm PT
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A stake in the heart. It's the only way.
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