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Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Jan 4, 2018 - 12:25pm PT
To a great extent the whole states rights theory is made up by the right wing to push their own agenda, as is convenient. There is no actual broad "stares rights" spelled out in the Constitution.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Jan 4, 2018 - 01:33pm PT
Sanders called on Attorney General Jeff Sessions to reverse an expected decision rolling back an Obama-era policy giving states leeway to legalize recreational marijuana use.

Sanders has been in Congress a hell of a long time. He was there when Democrats ran the show, and he was there when Republicans ran the show.

When did Sanders ever introduce legislation to repeal the Federal marijuana laws?

Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Jan 4, 2018 - 01:52pm PT
Regulating marijuana and repealing the Federal marijuana laws are two different things.

Sanders' "Regulate Marijuana Like Alcohol Act" would just trade one set of bad laws for another.

zBrown

Ice climber
Jan 4, 2018 - 02:06pm PT
So what's the status of synthesized THC and/or lookalikes?

10b4me

Mountain climber
Retired
Jan 4, 2018 - 02:14pm PT
Either he just won't listen to his advisers, or they are just as clueless has he is.

From what I've read, people like Mattis, Kelly, McMaster, and Tillerson are very aware of what trump gets himself into. They've given up trying to advise him, and don't want to be tied to his actions.
WBraun

climber
Jan 4, 2018 - 04:00pm PT
Jeff Sessions is the brainwashed nutcase that watched "Reefer Madness" and believes every word of it in that horseshit movie.

Face it, they're gonna let you keep your guns but take your bongs away and send you to FEMA camps where you get Prozac IV drips all day long ......
Pennsylenvy

Gym climber
A dingy corner in your refrigerator
Jan 4, 2018 - 05:21pm PT
^^^^^ a post by the duck I fully agree with
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Jan 4, 2018 - 05:58pm PT
Sanders' "Regulate Marijuana Like Alcohol Act" would just trade one set of bad laws for another.



Perhaps you could elaborate?

You favor DUI? Selling on school campuses? To minors?
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Jan 4, 2018 - 06:02pm PT
You favor DUI? Selling on school campuses? To minors?


Laws on the books right now that don't mention the word "marijuana" already address those problems. Those are not the type of problems the Feds would handle anyway. Those are local concerns.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
Jan 4, 2018 - 06:03pm PT
Jeff Sessions , brainwashed nutcase..!! Reefer madness..LMAO...
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Jan 4, 2018 - 06:07pm PT
To a great extent the whole states rights theory is made up by the right wing to push their own agenda, as is convenient. There is no actual broad "stares rights" spelled out in the Constitution.



10th Amendment:

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Jan 4, 2018 - 06:09pm PT
Sanders' "Regulate Marijuana Like Alcohol Act" would just trade one set of bad laws for another.

you state that the laws regulating alcohol are bad. Please elaborate?
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Jan 4, 2018 - 06:20pm PT
you state that the laws regulating alcohol are bad. Please elaborate?


I tended for 19 years, in three states (CA, AZ, AK)

If there is a more illogical, arbitrary, inconsistent, and just plain stupid category of laws than the liquor laws, I'm unaware of them.

The liquor laws are so illogical that often I would make up my own "liquor laws" to keep the joint running as I thought it should. Even my bosses would sometimes fall for the "I can't. It's a liquor law." line of bullsh#t.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
Jan 4, 2018 - 08:01pm PT
That green sh#t will rot your brain and make you think your sprinter van is getting 24mpg...rj
zBrown

Ice climber
Jan 4, 2018 - 08:10pm PT


The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
mooch

Trad climber
Tribal Base Camp (Riverkern Annex)
Jan 5, 2018 - 11:13am PT
Let's see......Orange Skeezer scrambles his minions for a mass book burning?? Too late, the noose only tightens. :) Bought my copy today!

rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
Jan 5, 2018 - 01:09pm PT
Cosmic has already burned his autographed copy...
Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California, now Ireland
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 5, 2018 - 03:10pm PT
Wake me up when the nightmare is over please.

Trump is not going to be impeached. Not going to happen, it should but won't if Congress is controlled by the Republicans. I can only hope he sees out his term without causing any more damage to domestic, foreign and environmental policies.

And the scary thing is, he could be re-elected.

He will never resign, his ego is too big for that, and Mueller will probably get shot down (figuratively), some people may burn, but not Trump. He may be an idiot savant but he is sneaky.

He is not going to go, as much as we would like it. Trump is there and he is covering his rear end, he is not as stupid as we think or hope. He may be a sociopath, but then sociopaths can actually be very smart people, not that Trump is smart, but he does seem to know how to play the game. But that smirk of his, I have never hit anybody in my life, never, but I'd like to punch that face. Sigh...

But more troubling, is that his base does not care. During the campaign when he said he could shoot somebody on Fifth Avenue and his supporters wouldn't care... He could go on Reality TV and roast kittens or cook puppies in a microwave, and his supporters would cheer him on. Sick.

Trump has gotten his base, his supporters, to think that the establishment and media is against him, and hence them. So they close up shop. By the way, Fake News is a term from the early 1900s (see Yellow Press), Trump has just hijacked it and popularized it for his own purposes.

I only hope he is not assassinated, the last thing we need is a nutcase martyr, and you know his base would make it so. St Donald. A lot of conspiracy theories out there. Why just yesterday, Elvis and Donald were seen having lunch, hah hah. It is a crazy world.

Wake me when it stops spinning.

My two cents from the outside looking in.
dirtbag

climber
Jan 5, 2018 - 03:32pm PT
It’s easy to despair, Patrick.
Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California, now Ireland
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 5, 2018 - 04:02pm PT
Dirtbag, my despair is not for myself. I live abroad, this year I get my Irish citizenship, I will still retain my US citizenship (as I have boringly mentioned before my father's family has been in America since 1640).

My despair is not for me as Trump's domestic nightmares will have little affect on me. I am selfish in that way. I could not care, but I do.

I despair for those people in the US who will feel the burden of his policies, the "underclass", the working class, the middle class, the average person. Some may receive a (fading) halo in the short-term, but only the very wealthy will wear a shining halo in the long term.

Trump is enriching himself. It is no secret. The facts are there. The emoluments to begin with. He claims the new tax bill/regime will hurt him. Pull the other leg, please.

Most of us on this forum know this.

My despair is what may happen globally, with the US foreign policy in disarray. We have two first grade nut cases exchanging infantile insults.

Only in America? No this is the world, the planet, earth.

It almost make me laugh… but it is not that funny.

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