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Dingus McGee
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 21, 2016 - 12:42pm PT
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Apple stock will plummet when they pay the lawyers, engineers and court costs for all the defence -- merely to save face?
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Dingus McGee
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 21, 2016 - 12:45pm PT
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overwatch,
I am still laughing at that photo of Spiny! it is a gut buster!!
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monolith
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Feb 21, 2016 - 12:48pm PT
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Dingus, do you know all the details of the security there is on Apple's phone?
case rests.
In other words, why should we trust your opinion over the EFF?
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Dingus McGee
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 21, 2016 - 01:00pm PT
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No! and only Apple does. So what do you mean your case rests? I take that you mean you are conceding that since I know nothing about Apple how could I have a case.
My case is that since all Apple's Security mechanisms are proprietary no one but Apple might have a case as to why unlocking the device should not proceed. Others speaking before Apple talks, cannot justifiably rule that the task is unduly burdensome--they have no evidence as to how simple or difficult an unknown task is with unknown mechanisms? maybe.
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monolith
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Feb 21, 2016 - 01:04pm PT
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Apple stock will plummet when they pay the lawyers, engineers and court costs for all the defence -- merely to save face?
You've got to be kidding, Dingus.
If their stock plummets, it won't be bacause they can't afford lawyers, engineers and court costs.
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Dingus McGee
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 21, 2016 - 01:05pm PT
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The markets work on fear and speculation--not love
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monolith
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Feb 21, 2016 - 01:09pm PT
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Dingus, Apple didn't invent public key cryptography. They would be a fool to invent their own.
As noted in the EFF article, they use variations of public standards that have been tested thoroughly by experts in the security field.
Just because we don't have their code in front of us doesn't mean we cannot deduce the general principles they use.
Please tell us when you think Apples stock has taken a hit over this. Should be easy to produce a chart in a month or two where you can point to this massive hit you say is coming. I won't hold my breath.
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Dingus McGee
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 21, 2016 - 01:11pm PT
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You are speaking out your ass. You do not know the design.
The general case does not prove the specific case.
FYI it is code and hardware in this situation.
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Dingus McGee
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 21, 2016 - 01:15pm PT
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Please tell us when you think Apples stock has [will take]n a hit over this.
Court expenses cut into profits and those with stock wanting a good bi-yearly dividend/payoff will not take a chance when they see other stocks having less non productive payouts. This response may be thought of as fear based.
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monolith
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Feb 21, 2016 - 01:24pm PT
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lol. You have know idea how much cash and assets Apple has do ya Dingus?
We'll know soon enough if apple's stock is taking a hit over this. Analysts will note the cause with great alarm.
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Dingus McGee
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 21, 2016 - 01:28pm PT
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I am telling you how an investor thinks. I do not need to now how much cash Apple has. Obviously if they keep it all there is little for dividends.
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monolith
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Feb 21, 2016 - 01:37pm PT
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We'll see what happens to dividends this quarter.
I'll remind you after the next ex-dividend date in May.
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Dingus McGee
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 21, 2016 - 01:40pm PT
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Good Monolith,
The desire to switch stock depends on how long the case carries on and reported costs.
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monolith
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Feb 21, 2016 - 01:45pm PT
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LOL, you keep talking about court costs.
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looking sketchy there...
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Feb 21, 2016 - 01:49pm PT
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Dingus, Apple spends exponentially more in Atty fees on the innumerable patent fights with competitors.
Even if this costs several million in fees will be money well spent. Attorneys fees such as this are just a part of the cost of doing business (and are literally "peanuts") for a large tech company.
Sorry to say, you don't really know what you are talking about.
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Dingus McGee
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 21, 2016 - 01:57pm PT
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exponentially
Hardly, most people that use this word do not know what they are talking about.
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pyro
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Feb 21, 2016 - 02:10pm PT
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Dingus I wonder if IBM would react the same way to the Fed's the same way apple did or has?
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Ken M
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Feb 21, 2016 - 02:24pm PT
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It should be noted that Apple is playing with fire.
They are used to dealing with the media, not the FBI.
They are now talking to people, who if they personally lie, they are at risk of serious jail time, just for the lie. Ask Scooter and Martha.
Particularly since this is so high profile. A lesson is in order.
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Dingus McGee
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 21, 2016 - 02:47pm PT
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pyro,
I was just wondering the same thing about IBM as I walked the dog a short bit ago.
They won the first rounds against Control Data by outright lying.
Ken M,
I see your point. The stakes are little bigger than usual.
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looking sketchy there...
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Feb 21, 2016 - 02:48pm PT
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Yes. I know what exponentially means and I am correct in its usage here.
On the other hand, several of your pronouncements lack any factual basis.
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