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Big Mike

Trad climber
BC
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 29, 2015 - 10:11am PT

Mar 28, 2015 - 08:09pm PT
i get a suicide note
tattooed on my chest.
but it'll writin'
upside down and for
the concluding punctuation
mark i'll don
an exceeding void
where my head once
rested.
and laying there
i'll represent
exclamation.

Please don't bud.
Braunini

Big Wall climber
cupertino
Mar 29, 2015 - 11:59am PT

Mar 28, 2015 - 04:30pm PT
Big Mike

No need to hack anything.

Crypto AG has all the back doors access already installed.

NSA, CIA, banker cabal etc, has all the back doors from crypto ag.

You're getting lukewarm Mike .....

Ha ha ha, holy sh#t

Speaking of mentally ill germans
pud

climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
Mar 29, 2015 - 12:11pm PT
If the pilot were armed he could have gotten through the door.
Big Mike

Trad climber
BC
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 29, 2015 - 12:24pm PT
If werner is right, the pilot was at the controls wondering what the hell was wrong with the plane...


Crypto AG has been accused of rigging its machines in collusion with intelligence agencies such as the German Bundesnachrichtendienst (BND) and the United States National Security Agency (NSA), enabling such organisations to read the encrypted traffic produced by the machines.[3] Suspicions of this collusion were aroused in 1986 following US president Ronald Reagan's announcement on national television that, through interception of diplomatic communications between Tripoli and the Libyan embassy in East Berlin, he had irrefutable evidence that Muammar al-Gaddafi of Libya was behind the 1986 Berlin discotheque bombing in which two US service personnel were killed and another fifty injured. President Reagan then ordered the bombing of Tripoli and Benghazi in retaliation. There is no conclusive evidence that there was an intercepted Libyan message.[citation needed]

Further evidence suggesting that the Crypto AG machines were compromised was revealed after the assassination of former Iranian Prime Minister Shahpour Bakhtiar in 1991. On August 7, 1991, one day before Bakhtiar's body was discovered, the Iranian Intelligence Service transmitted a coded message to Iranian embassies, inquiring "Is Bakhtiar dead?" Western governments were able to decipher this transmission, causing Iranian suspicion to fall upon their Crypto AG equipment.[4]

The Iranian government then arrested Crypto AG's top salesman, Hans Buehler, in March 1992 in Tehran. It accused Buehler of leaking their encryption codes to Western intelligence. Buehler was interrogated for nine months but, being completely unaware of any flaw in the machines, was released in January 1993 after Crypto AG posted bail of $1m to Iran.[5] Soon after Buehler's release Crypto AG dismissed him and charged him the $1m. Swiss media and the German magazine Der Spiegel took up his case in 1994, interviewing former employees and concluding that Crypto's machines had in fact repeatedly been rigged.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crypto_AG

Zug, Switzerland. For four decades, the Swiss flag that flies in front of Crypto AG has lured customers from around the world to this company in the lake dis- [words missing] most sensitive diplomatic and military communications value Switzerland's reputation for business secrecy and political neutrality. Some 120 nations have bought their encryption machines here.

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http://cryptome.org/jya/nsa-sun.htm
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Mar 29, 2015 - 01:28pm PT
Nope..Even if all the systems on the plane were taken over by the boogie man he could have knocked out the emergency panel of the door if he wanted to open it. Unless of course he was mind controlled.

Or intent on mass murder.

OR

The NSA hacked the black boxes and all the evidence is suspect... nothing is as it seems.

Both pilots were at irresponsive controls screaming maydays into a hacked radio system wondering WTF is going on!

Yay I solved it
Big Mike

Trad climber
BC
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 29, 2015 - 01:43pm PT
That's the theory climbski2.. Or whomever had something to gain...

Notice I said "Pilot"
Braunini

Big Wall climber
cupertino
Mar 29, 2015 - 01:58pm PT
Good catch climb2ski! Ban fly by wire!

The CVR spoofing was good enough to fool all the NTSB guys. Pretty impressive, much better quality than the faked moon landing footage, the technology has really come a long way

Seriously though I just thank god there's an accountable government agency to blame rather than just some random nut job

dave729

Trad climber
Western America
Mar 29, 2015 - 03:21pm PT
Design engineer does a show and tell and gives away
a few secrets about the hardened
cockpit doors retro'd into Alaska Air's 737's.

[Click to View YouTube Video]


Test setup demo. Drop swing of a heavy weight against
cockpit door to simulate getting kicked.
So called cockpit door certification test.

[Click to View YouTube Video]







zBrown

Ice climber
Brujò de la Playa
Mar 29, 2015 - 08:55pm PT
Pretty sure (though you can never tell on the Internet) that it was an Airbus

[Click to View YouTube Video]
crankster

Trad climber
Mar 29, 2015 - 09:00pm PT
This explains it...
TomCochrane

Trad climber
Santa Cruz Mountains and Monterey Bay
Mar 29, 2015 - 09:21pm PT
there is a lot of interesting information about this incident

however the most interesting thing to me in this incident is how obsessive people are about jumping to unwarranted assumptions that are not directly supported by actual evidence

i can imagine additional scenarios that are not being mentioned...but it is not worthwhile mentioning them, because there is also not evidence available to directly support them...however the actual root cause may well have been something no one publicly understands

the smart thing is to search for evidence and avoid jumping to any conclusion until real evidence makes a particular scenario inevitably true


the actual fact is that we know some things about what happened in this incident...but there are important things we don't know, and people are dubbing in assumptions to justify belief in various possible scenarios...such as pilot suicide...

in actual fact we basically don't yet know publicly what was the root cause of this incident
WBraun

climber
Mar 29, 2015 - 09:30pm PT
Why is the German pilot yelling in English to his German co-pilot?

Has anyone heard the actual audio of the pilot yelling?

All faith in only what we're spoon fed in the news? (we are the sheep)

Why if you're going to commit hari kari by plane go into a controlled long glide descend down?

Why not a fast drop into the deck?

Why were the Italian and French jets that were along side the Airbus scrubbed from the internet?

Why wasn't the emergency sat phone outside the cockpit used to call tower to call for a mayday and enable remote over ride of the plane?

Is there a backdoor security override code that can be enabled by remote from a tower using a special code form the caller to open the cockpit door?

Who is his girlfriend who's saying all this stuff about him. (she's anonymous only first name given)

Has anyone seen the ripped up sick notes?

Who was on board? (flight manifest)

Why why why why huh ...... :-)
Argon

climber
North Bay, CA
Mar 29, 2015 - 10:11pm PT
As Werner points out, if the flight attendants and pilot had access to a sat phone (which I assume they must have), then why wasn't it used? The pilot might have been busy whacking away at the cockpit door - but surely the other flight crew members had plenty of time to make contact and there must be procedures for this.

I'm guessing that there was not internet service on this flight or someone would have emailed something. It's ironic that passengers on 9/11 could communicate with in-flight phone service that no longer exits.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Mar 29, 2015 - 10:16pm PT
Whaddya gonna do with a sat phone, order pizza?
Or maybe order up a hit by a Mirage 2000?
ontheedgeandscaredtodeath

Social climber
SLO, Ca
Mar 29, 2015 - 10:20pm PT
Um, what would be the the point of a conspiracy to crash some random euro flight and then leaving it to supertopo to connect all the juicy dots?
WBraun

climber
Mar 29, 2015 - 10:25pm PT
Sat phone calls tower to let them know what's up.

Tower takes control of the plane by remote?
Big Mike

Trad climber
BC
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 29, 2015 - 10:42pm PT
This plane had all the modern services. Phone and data.

FLYHT’s AFIRS 228 Iridium Global Communications System provides aircraft crew with reliable voice and data services using Iridium’s global satellite network. Data based services available through the AFIRS 228 include automated OOOIs, flight following, engine trending, live-FOQA exceedance reporting, and fuel management.

http://flyht.com/products/afirs-228/
ß Î Ø T Ç H

Boulder climber
extraordinaire
Mar 29, 2015 - 11:28pm PT
Tower takes control of the plane ...
[Click to View YouTube Video]
Big Mike

Trad climber
BC
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 29, 2015 - 11:58pm PT
Why does someone have to believe in something to speculate about it?
crankster

Trad climber
Mar 30, 2015 - 06:31am PT
Conspiracy theorists usually adopt their fantasy even when the facts prove otherwise.
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