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michaeld
Sport climber
Sacramento
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Jul 20, 2012 - 04:46pm PT
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That wasn't a smirk at Obama.
I was just being your ordinary liberal!
The other day a chick was ranting about, well, here's her arguement.
She thinks everyone should make the same amount of money, and be given the same opportunity, then goes to say this:
charlie sheenmight want hecka ccoke one day... he is most likey going to fork out the doe and get the best wuality he can find and what evr else that cartel may bring in gets left for the streets
Then "Vote for Obama!"
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Jul 20, 2012 - 04:47pm PT
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Just had the range to myself.
92 and cloudy, light breeze.
Ran through some rapid engagement drills.
Practice ain't cheap, but not practicing could cost more.
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michaeld
Sport climber
Sacramento
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Jul 20, 2012 - 04:58pm PT
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Who's gonna pay for it?
Maybe a city ordinance to have to hire an armed guard for any event with over 100 people?
That seems fair. I'd feel safe knowing there's an undercover cop / air marshal type dude there with me. Those guys are boss.
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labrat
Trad climber
Nevada City, CA
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Jul 20, 2012 - 05:03pm PT
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Sad day. Cannot even imagine going through and experiencing something like this.
Erik
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michaeld
Sport climber
Sacramento
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Jul 20, 2012 - 05:10pm PT
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Lol Dingus, how're you gonna justify using a Nuke for self defense? :P
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Jul 20, 2012 - 05:13pm PT
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One of the women killed escaped a mall shooting in Toronto no long ago.
It speaks volumes about our society and [corporate] priorities that keeping our nation absolutely flooded with cheap firearms is protected by biased interpretations of amendment verbiage pertaining to times and conditions which haven existed for a hundred years.The number of self-defense uses of guns is so phenomenally out numbered by suicides, accidents, domestic/drug/random violence as to be a joke if it the consequences weren't so damn tragic.
For every one of you 'responsible' gun owners prepared and capable of self-defense there are a 1000 wackjobs. You know the odds are skewed because neither Ron, nor one of their many Ron proxies, were at that movie theatre. I guess what we really need - to counter the inevitable - are robotic weapons mounted in every public place to take care of the unavoidable percentage of wackjobs who start firing in public given the cheap and easy access to guns.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 20, 2012 - 05:14pm PT
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"and Yes Kurt, condolences have been issued. "
Bullshit, Ron.
This thread went from zero-to-gun-whackery in the same short time that these threads always do following a tragedy like this.
I tried to make that point early on this thread, but the pro-gun wave had already crested (like it always does).
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Jul 20, 2012 - 05:23pm PT
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Pfffft.
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GhoulweJ
Trad climber
El Dorado Hills, CA
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Jul 20, 2012 - 05:24pm PT
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JLP
Live round shot at me? No
Live weapon drawn on me? Yes, followed by my live draw.
VERY fortunate that confidence and efficiency on my part scared perp into backing down... Training paid off.
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michaeld
Sport climber
Sacramento
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Jul 20, 2012 - 05:28pm PT
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The only time i've ever had to draw an arm in public was at a party on this drunk dude.
He woke up with a permanent marker penis sleeve.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Jul 20, 2012 - 05:28pm PT
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Been shot at more than once and heard plenty fired in anger but what is really scary were some of the rockfalls I was in in the mountains.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 20, 2012 - 05:33pm PT
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My bet is that the majority of the pro-gun types that chime in on these threads bear a striking similarity (in terms of training and breadth of actual field experience) to many of the self-proclaimed experienced 'guides' who have climbed a few years, then taken an AMGA/PCGI/etc top rope instructor's course and call themselves 'highly skilled & experienced'.
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michaeld
Sport climber
Sacramento
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Jul 20, 2012 - 05:36pm PT
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I've never taken a training course for weapons.
Then again, I'm gifted with common sense.
I also don't conceal.
Does that make me a bad person Apogee?
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michaeld
Sport climber
Sacramento
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Jul 20, 2012 - 05:42pm PT
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It'd of never happened, Hank. Duh. But since he's banned...
If he wasn't banned, he'd of been there to show he is the law in force.
Probably would have single handedly arrested the perp after a physical altercation. Then pulled a celebrity over for a DUI in Malibu.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 20, 2012 - 05:43pm PT
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I know a lot of people like that, Michael, and I wouldn't characterize them as 'bad'.
I wouldn't necessarily consider many of them good climbing partners, though, or capable of making good judgements and taking effective action consistently in extremely difficult situations (i.e. crowded, smoke-filled, dark movie theatres with screaming people all over the place).
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snakefoot
climber
cali
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Jul 20, 2012 - 05:46pm PT
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things like this are never good....bullets to the brain. feel very bad for the families involved as we only see the surface...this is from the incident..
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michaeld
Sport climber
Sacramento
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Jul 20, 2012 - 05:46pm PT
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Climbing partners? What are you going on about?
Everyone is different. Just because they like guns, affects the way they're climbing partners?
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Jul 20, 2012 - 06:02pm PT
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Ron. they also had an insanly high murder rate in many of those frontier towns. one of em they burried somthing like 41 people before they got a single stiff from natural causes...
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michaeld
Sport climber
Sacramento
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Jul 20, 2012 - 06:04pm PT
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Tons of guns doesn't make it better.
This is why it's such a flip flop issue. There isn't much you can do.
I'd rather nobody have guns, then anyone.
But, people will be themselves, crazy or criminal. They'll have their means. They'll use em'.
Damn grey areas.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Jul 20, 2012 - 06:04pm PT
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Here lies Les Moore
Four bullets from a .44
No Les, no more
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