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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Nov 24, 2011 - 01:48pm PT
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Locker said . . .
Regardless of our differences...
I am WITH YOU 100% on this one...
"I can not believe that explosives were used in the TT, Building 7 and that the Pentagon was hit by a missle
I can not accept these things as true
Not without some one coming forward and saying that they put the explosives in the buildings"...
BINGO!!!...
Sorry, but that isn't how justice in a court of law operates, nor is it how science operates. If it did then no one would be found guilty, and we wouldn't learn anything through the scientific method.
All the evidence is taken into account: the means, the motive, and the opportunity. All the physical empirical evidence is taken into account. All the eye-witness testimony is taken into account. We don't rely on or wait for confessions to convict someone when the evidence is overwhelming that the party is guilty.
The 9-11 Truth Movement has shown without a doubt that the OCT as stated by the 9-11 Commission Report is invalid. As an official Hypothesis/Theory (the OCT) it has been overwhelmingly invalidated. Therefore, it must be rejected with prejudice.
Investigate 9-11, properly, openly, and honestly and internationally, since the outcome has had a negative global impact on everyone. That is what we are asking for. That is what the World is asking for.
TPTB, "they" do not want that to happen and they will continue to forever to resist 9-11 being investigated properly, and ethically, and openly. They know they are guilty and we know it too.
Edit:
Totally disagree with the below statement. It can be. We have a tremendous amount of evidence. We also know where to look and who to put on the hot seat if the international World is ever given the chance to properly do so. We know where the skeletons are hiding. We just have to call them out.
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Slater
Trad climber
Central Coast
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Nov 24, 2011 - 04:57pm PT
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Why???
Why blow up WTC #7?
you can continue to chase your tails after you answer me :)
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WBraun
climber
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Nov 24, 2011 - 06:46pm PT
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Why do it?
Here it's only a game.
If you want to do it for real you probably will get killed, or made into a molester, pedophile, or you'll mysteriously disappear, etc etc, if you find out the truth and try to reveal it.
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Reeotch
Trad climber
Kayenta, AZ
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Nov 25, 2011 - 09:24am PT
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Why blow up building 7?
In February of 2002 Silverstein Properties won $861 million from Industrial Risk Insurers to rebuild on the site of WTC 7. Silverstein Properties’ estimated investment in WTC 7 was $386 million. This building’s collapse alone resulted in a payout of nearly $500 million, based on the contention that it was an unforeseen accidental event.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/bombshell-silverstein-wanted-to-demolish-building-7-on-911.html
Follow the money . . .
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Nov 25, 2011 - 11:23am PT
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Reeotch,
Thanks for that article link. Very important. Hadn't seen that article before.
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Slater
Trad climber
Central Coast
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Nov 25, 2011 - 11:32am PT
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So an insurance company or whatever rigged the building with explosives and coordinated it to happen on the day that two airplanes were run into the Towers so they could make some money?
Really?
OK thanks, I'm done. I get it.
Have fun here. I got stuff to do.
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rockermike
Trad climber
Berkeley
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 25, 2011 - 12:31pm PT
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I begin to think we have some paid trolls here - trying to discredit the conversation. No such thing you say? One firm hired 800 people to post some 20,000 comments to a particular forum. What better way to sway the climate of opinion...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-15869683
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Nov 25, 2011 - 12:53pm PT
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Yes, I have heard about this over the years and it does seem to be happening more and more.
It wouldn't surprise me that it is happening here at ST, considering the topics we like to wrap our heads around and debate, ie "Forbidden Secret Knowledge" topics.
I have often really wondered if certain "leg-humpers" (as WB calls them) here at ST are paid to do such.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-15869683
"The US military is known to use fakes to infiltrate chat forums to gather information about potential terror groups."
I doubt that is all they visit. Also, I'm sure the US intelligence alphabet agencies are involved deeply also: CIA, NSA, DEA, etc. etc. to name a few. It's called disinformation. And they are really good at it.
I think a good way to avoid this on ST is to know the users here at ST. The climbing community is pretty tight knit. One climber knows another climber etc. "The Brother/Sisterhood of the Rope." I may not know everyone here, but I know of them, and then they know users here that I don't know. I trust that they know them.
The users that I don't trust here at ST are those who are very anonymous. They will never divulge who they hang out with or climb with, never. Can't really be sure they have ever climbed. And then they seem to pursue certain ST members with a vengeance. A few come to mind.
Some people here at ST know me. Some have climbed with me. You might think I'm nuts, but I'm a very honest, fun, and a likable guy in person. Opinionated for sure (aren't we all while on-line?), but at least I back it up. I'm very peaceful. I don't hate. I know how to share. Learned that in kindergarten. I know how to get along well with others in person.
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WBraun
climber
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Nov 25, 2011 - 03:24pm PT
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You got Bush, Cofer Black, George Tenet, Middleton, Wilshire, and others totally getting caught red handed lying about the the whole 911 events both leading up to it and after you know it was an inside job.
It's all there in the official govt, docs.
But you're all too stupid to look it up.
Instead you all just spew bullsh'it at everything that isn't towed in line to the Bullsh'it "official" reports since you never read em.
Thus all you dumbsh'its who support the "Official reports" are also part of the conspiracy along with being completely owned.
You'd be really surprised how this was played out.
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Betelnut
Mountain climber
So. California
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Nov 25, 2011 - 08:31pm PT
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And Werner seems like a normal human being most times, a resident of Earth. Who woulda known?
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Reeotch
Trad climber
Kayenta, AZ
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Nov 25, 2011 - 09:59pm PT
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Slater, that is just the tip of the iceberg. You should look in to what sort of jucy stuff was stored in Building #7.
But, I'm sure you got better things to do . . .
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Nov 25, 2011 - 10:10pm PT
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Werner I respect you but like Caylor said your use of blanket statements condemning all of us to the same ignorance is beneath a supposedly enlightened being such as yourself.
I for one saw through the charade even as it was going down. You do yourself a great disservice by lumping all turds into one pile.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Dec 30, 2011 - 12:21am PT
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^^^
Note that he spelt it "cheque", despite claiming to be from Los Angeles. Real red-blooded Merrycans spell it "check". Only godless socialist Canuckleheads with lots of oil and other stuff that they charge the US too much for say "cheque". He's undoubtedly part of the conspiracy, false flag and all. Probably planning to spray some chemtrails tomorrow, too.
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WBraun
climber
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Sep 12, 2012 - 01:09am PT
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Check this out.
Confessions of a Former CIA Asset
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/08/30/911-confessions-of-a-former-cia-asset/
For her attempts to expose the truth about 9/11, Susan was arrested and prosecuted under the PATRIOT ACT, only the second US citizen to endure such a fate.
She was incarcerated and tortured for five years and denied the right to legal counsel, even though she was innocent of any crime.
This is a stunning indictment of what the United States has become, which our Founding Fathers would not recognize: a neo-fascist, militaristic police state, where surveillance is ubiquitous.
Susan Lindauer.
I submit this sworn affidavit as evidence of criminal actions by President George Bush, Vice President Richard Cheney, Attorney General John Ashcroft, Attorney General Alberto Gonzales; Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld and National Security Adviser, Condoleeza Rice.
This affidavit will prove beyond any shadow of doubt that those officials in the Bush Administration knowingly and deliberately practiced “command failure” to thwart the 9/11 attack.
It will prove that those officials hyped a War with Iraq as a probable outcome of the attack, exciting motive and opportunity for an orphan intelligence team to lay explosives through the Towers to maximize damage and guarantee the outcome.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Sep 12, 2012 - 05:42am PT
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I am blissfully ignorant of this conspiracy .
I am proud to be a batsh#t, paranoid, tinfoil, dog-abusing, drug-abusing, baby-sitter-hating, batsh#t, terms-of-service-accepting American climber but I'm not stupid!
I'd say anything over a trillion dollars is worth a cover-up, but it's not. I'm not that stupid, even if I were stupid, which I'm not. This is just gonna end up being another Dallas joke, starring Kevin Costner.
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