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drockschick

Trad climber

The Dirty South

Jan 18, 2011 - 02:19pm PT

He doesn't post because he knows what really happened and knows Samantha has no reason to sue.

I have no position to defend, it wasn't my dog. I simply saw what happened and will stand behind it when someone is being libeled. Don't really care what you believe ekat and tami, obviously you didn't read my post WHICH BEGAN WITH AN APOLOGY.

And Ron, he dumped her.

426

climber

Buzzard Point, TN

Jan 18, 2011 - 02:29pm PT

I think he posts on the southeast taco...

drock

Joined: Nov 25, 2003

Posts: 6
Location: chattanooga
Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2010 6:33 am Post subject:

Maybe some people deserve to be bitten, peed on, or leg humped by a wandering crag canine? What dark secrets dwell in the hearts of our southern climber cousins?

http://seclimbers.org/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=12500&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=15

Toker Villain

Big Wall climber

Toquerville, Utah

Jan 18, 2011 - 02:42pm PT

I bet I already know who has bigger tits.

and now we return to another episode of,......... As The Dogbite Turns!

Gene

climber

Jan 18, 2011 - 02:47pm PT

A dog’s owner has full responsibility for the dog's actions. If a dog is wandering unattended and bites without provocation, it should be put down. Unattended includes having its owner roped up and unable to immediately control the pup.

Common sense and good manners dictate that the dog stay home or be on a short leash in places where other folks have access.

This ain't rocket surgery, folks.

Ken M

Mountain climber

Los Angeles, Ca

Jan 18, 2011 - 02:54pm PT

And when you say that he mentioned that she had only ever bitten men you make it sound as though he was being flippant or clueless, which was not the case. He was embarrassed because, being a chivalrous man, it upset him that the dog had bitten a woman.

He is not clueless, he is a danger to the public. We are now talking about a dog that has REPEATEDLY attacked multiple people and caused physical damage. Generally, this requires the dog be put down.

You guys are now KNOWINGLY harboring a DANGEROUS animal that has REPEATEDLY injured people.

Your assertion that you will muzzle the dog is absurd: dogs get out of them all the time. When it happens, and when that dog attacks another person, I volunteer to testify about this thread and all this information on behalf of the injured person.

Jeez!

graniteclimber

Trad climber

The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division

Jan 18, 2011 - 02:59pm PT

Bad dog owners ruin it for all the other dog owners. This dog didn't belong on a leash, he belonged being left at home.

OK, so I'm minding my own bisuness, walking around the corner after having gone to pee and this dog f'n comes at me and tries to grab my arm. I push back into it's mouth, effectively getting the dog off of me and out of my way, and the dayumned thing starts growling and chomping at me (riling up another dog owned by the same person) then jumps and gets me in the side. I knee the dog off, but the thing freakin' broke skin!! WTF?!?!

When it grabbed your arm was it trying to be "friendly" in the way that some overly-friendly dogs can be or was it attacking you? If it was just being overly-friendly then aggressively pushing it away would escalate the situation. Either way, the dog owner was in the wrong.

sjellison

Mountain climber

Tucson, AZ

Jan 18, 2011 - 03:13pm PT

too many "if"s. leave the dog at home

Mighty Hiker

climber

Vancouver, B.C.

Jan 18, 2011 - 03:18pm PT

An abdomen of luridly-coloured bruises and bite marks is pretty convincing support for what Samantha says. Her character is known here, and there seems a vanishingly small probability that she in any way provoked the attack. And in any case there are damn few (if any) justifications for a dog biting a human. If the dog has a history of attacks, as suggested, then it or its owner need to be severely restrained (or sued), or the dog should be killed before it hurts someone else.

d-know

Trad climber

electric lady land

Jan 18, 2011 - 03:21pm PT

dog bites human,
dog gets acute
lead poisoning.

learned that
one at a very
early age.

please train
your dogs
people.
they
need it
and want it.
some of them actually
seem built for it.

nutjob

Trad climber

Berkeley, CA

Jan 18, 2011 - 03:42pm PT

Blackbird, that bite looks nasty and I hope you heal quickly. I would be terrified if a dog attacked me like that. If I could quickly find a big stick while it was doing that to my kids I would not be upset if I killed it, though my intent would be to immobilize it. The only animals I have killed are fish when I was a kid (and I ate them), and I still occasionally kill insects and arachnids but I often just take them outside instead.

Looks like bjj found Rox's 'on' button.

drockschick, making excuses is not compatible with taking responsibility.

Locker, you are prescient! You start with Jerry Springer references and then...

One idea about the reason for bite: maybe chemical/hormonal? If bb just came back from peeing, the scent might be reminiscent of scared prey or it might have excited some other primal response in the dog that is more deeply embedded than environmental training.

Maybe I'll go scouting for a digging/fighting stick before I next do my business in the wilds....

aldude

climber

Monument Manor

Jan 18, 2011 - 03:49pm PT

BB (aka Samantha) - quite the chomp mark! So your ex sicked the dog on you?All the more reason for legal action - punitive damages could apply here.

p.s. Bernie is still available for your cuddly cougar (Abby)..... but he's a rescue and........he BITES!

Toker Villain

Big Wall climber

Toquerville, Utah

Jan 18, 2011 - 03:50pm PT

Dogs are remarkably perceptive and I wouldn't put it beyond one to sense a hostile relationship even without overt actions.

I still think there are details we haven't heard.

Gene

climber

Jan 18, 2011 - 04:13pm PT

Twins separated at birth?

Aldude's Bernie.

My Paris

EDIT: Here's a thought. Human violence/mistreatment of dogs probably equals or exceeds dog to human attacks.

graniteclimber

Trad climber

The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division

Jan 18, 2011 - 04:24pm PT

Dogs are remarkably perceptive and I wouldn't put it beyond one to sense a hostile relationship even without overt actions.

I still think there are details we haven't heard.

Did BB and the dog owner know each other previous to this?

Edit: I shouldn't ask questions without having read through the thread more carefully.

The fact that the dog's owner is your ex-boyfriend must add insult to injury.

blackbird

Trad climber

the flat water trails...

Topic Author's Reply - Jan 18, 2011 - 06:03pm PT

wow...

I go to work and come home to find this post has broken the 200 mark.

another wow goes to the vitriol directed towards me, when all I did was post up asking folks to think.

I am SO beyond intrigued...

ok... to begin (then I have more important things to attend to tonight, and I'm sincerely hoping you all do as well):

That said, when you post on a public forum, especially when you post about something controversial, it's is very important that you do it in an accurate and responsible manner because the people and dogs you post about are going to now have to deal with the flack from the inaccuracies as well as from the actual events.

Yes, you were bitten, but the other dog in the 'pack' DID NOT come after you.

Thank you for schooling me on the etiquite of posting on a public forum. My question to you is this: if you were engaged in your first ever trad lead, how do you know which dogs bit me? I only ask because I remember my first lead, and I know I was NOT focused on what was going on on the ground.

Two or more dogs make a pack. Ergo, when one dog becomes aggressive, it is not uncommon for others within the same - ah - shall we say "social group" to become aggressive as well for myriad reasons.

My version of what I witnessed with my own eyes, heard with my own ears and felt when I was bitten is stated in the original post. Yes, two dogs came at me; one of them bit me. Your belayer may not have seen the incident, but there were many others up there that day who did. If any of them would like to chime in and give additional viewpoints, I sincerely welcome them.

And that leads me to another inaccuracy in your tale: after the dog bit, you say we didn't restrain her. No, he didn't immediately tie her up. He couldn't. He was belaying me on my very first trad lead. But he did command her to sit and stay which she immediately did, and we tied her up as soon as I got on the ground.

My "tale"... LOL!! I find that phrase amusing as it was my TAIL in which I was bit!! teehee!!!

Anyway, kudos to you for tying her up once you got on the ground; however,

even the second time you came back for a superfluous diatribe about it.

the dog was not leashed - she got up and walked over to the owner.

And according to what you said at the time, the injury was very minor and the issue was the dog's behavior, so you gave him no reason to believe you felt you were due anything more than an apology and an offer to compensate if anything developed.

At the time, I was more than stunned that I had been bitten, particularly as I had done nothing other than walk past your party (which, as 426 stated, is kind of a challenge to avoid up at the T-wall...) My reasons for coming back were simply to say exactly what I said: "Dude, that wasn't cool, and that really sucked." No argument was started, no voices were raised, and honestly, you appear to be more upset over all of this than he does, so it must have rankled you more than either of us.

when you post, post accurately. Don't embellish the story.

My post is accurate and there are no embellishments. If you feel otherwise I am more than happy to sit down with you in person with several other folks who were there that day and witnessed the event in question so that we can ALL gain perspective of the events - not just your perspective of being engaged in your first gear lead or mine of being bitten.

Regarding posting accurately, may I also suggest that you consider signing your name rather than as your anonymous avatar?? Not trying to be hateful, but signing your name to something does tend to give your words more weight and meaning and frequently helps to better convey the sincerity of your message. Just a thought...

I'm off to dinner now...

Samantha

graniteclimber

Trad climber

The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division

Jan 18, 2011 - 06:39pm PT

I'm chiming in because someone needs to set the record straight. You people act like I am defending something indefensible, and if you actually read what I wrote you would see that isn't the case.

Drockschick sure sounds defensive to me. Would I be wrong in guessing that Drockschick and her belayer have a deeper relationship than that of belayee/belayer or that of personal take-his-dog-to-the-vet chauffeur?

the Fet

climber

Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La

Jan 18, 2011 - 06:43pm PT

And this is why dogs get banned...

First off, Samantha, it sucks that you got bitten.

You should have said "first off, Samantha, SORRY again that you got bitten." The dog owner, your partner is at fault. Samantha showed extreme restraint and civility in her post. Then you nitpicked her post.

and that leads me to another inaccuracy in your tale: after the dog bit, you say we didn't restrain her. No, he didn't immediately tie her up. He couldn't. He was belaying me

That's not inaccurate. It's true. He couldn't restrain her because he was belaying. Leaving his dog without supervision.

he mentioned that she had only ever bitten men

Are you kidding me? You brought a dog that has bitten people to a crag and left it unleashed, without supervision? WTF?

The dog will be muzzled in the future. It is the right thing to do.

Wrong again. The dog should now always be left at home. How many people has it bit? Muzzling a dog makes it very fearful because it can't defend itself. It also makes it tough to pant and drink. That dog would be miserable.

LEAVE THIS DOG AT HOME.

I'm a dog lover and love seeing well behaved dogs with responsible owners at the crags. But this is exactly why people get pissed off and dogs get banned.

matisse

climber

Jan 18, 2011 - 07:42pm PT

Samantha,
I don't know why you would bother to sit down with these people- her post speaks VOLUMES about her, (i.e. hostile passive aggressive), as if her username wasn't enough drockschick (does she not have an identity of her own?, bleah). You are clearly a nicer person than I am.

There really is only one relevant fact here, that no one seems to dispute: 1. The dog bit you. all the rest is details. they can argue the details all they want but that doesn't do anything to mitigate fact 1.

Sue