No, we are not a "Christian" nation......

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Norwegian

Trad climber

dancin on the tip of god's middle finger

Jul 25, 2014 - 12:23pm PT

yea, religion has its place.
those chicks are the best.
the one's strung out on hollow beliefs.

they got pent up sexual frustrations
and misplaced guilt.
these act like a synthetic hymen,
and when you finally breach
that shite they become fornication
superstars.

yea. religion has its place.

Klimmer

Mountain climber

Jul 25, 2014 - 12:42pm PT

I will have to disagree with Donini ... and I like the guy. Great climber. Inspirational even.

Christopher Columbus, love him or hate him, he did move the Americas into a new direction. It would never be the same ever again. It was 1492 ... he had to leave Spain but fast. He couldn't risk being discovered.

He was a Messianic Jew. He was a Crypto-Jew who believed in The Messiah, Yeshua HaMashiach, aka Jesus the Messiah. He had to hide his Jewish ancestry and his Judaism, since at that time while he was leaving Spain, a certain evil Spanish Catholic Queen was putting Jews to death if they did not convert, and stop their practice of Judaism. Apparently she didn't get the memo. Yeshua HaMashiach was a devout Orthodox Jew, who practiced Judaism, and he had come not to abolish the Law, The Torah, but to fulfill it. And he taught others to do so in like manner. He did not come to start a new religion. Simply Judaism, but now with Messiah. Messiah had come.

So yes, you can say we started with Messianic Judaism in a sense.

WAS CHRISTOPHER COLUMBUS A MESSIANIC JEW?
http://www.ramsheadpress.com/messiah/ch16.html

Short answer Yes. The evidence says so.

Our nation was founded on Judeo-Christian values. Our laws are modeled after and written from the Ten Commandments.

The Judeo-Christian Values of America
By Ronald R. Cherry
http://www.americanthinker.com/2007/09/the_judeochristian_values_of_a.html

We certainly started this way, it was founded this way, as a "Christian" nation. What we are today is another matter.

We need to get back to G-d, back to the G-d of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Back to HaShem Adonai Elohim. Then you will see the nation healed, and then it will prosper. I pray for that.

Tvash

climber

Seattle

Jul 25, 2014 - 01:05pm PT

"Our nation was founded on Judeo-Christian values. Our laws are modeled after and written from the Ten Commandments."

This worn out little meme is still looking for its supporting evidence. Funny, it's never represented. Oh wait - the Declaration (not our founding charter), In God We Trust and the Pledge of Allegiance (added in the 1940s and 50s). OK!

A mountain of evidence has already been presented here to illustrate the true origins of human rights - both embodied in the Constitution and prior to America's founding.

Hint: It's not Christianity. At all.

Quite the opposite. Christianity borrowed pre-existing ideas - it brought nothing new under the sun at all - although the movement did popularize some. I won't waste the space to repeat any of it.

Aaaand Christianity also borrowed many other well worn ideas - bigotry, Us v Them exclusivity, Absolute Truth (as represented by arguably the most cartoonish, nonsensical theology of all time)the tried and true ideas of bigotry - we're saved, you're not, women as chattel, gays are destroying the world, etc.

Death sucks. Please provide a cartoon we can watch that tells us it isn't so.

Tvash

climber

Seattle

Jul 25, 2014 - 01:17pm PT

I know.

When Mighty Mouse comes up short, you just render in a new super power.

The Christian Nation meme needs to be countered - over and over. We should be proud of the secular humanist society we've built. We need to continue to distance ourselves from history's most used justification for bigotry - religion. We need to wipe this baby crap off our shoes and step up to all the promise true modernity holds for us.

Fortunately, the upcoming generation seems to get this.

Klimmer

Mountain climber

Jul 25, 2014 - 01:39pm PT

Yes, modern Christianity ties into "borrows" from Judaism, hence the name Judeo-Christian. Don't you know the Jews read the Tenahk, the OT, and "Christians" read the OT and NT? Never said it didn't.

However, many "Christians" are now returning to the true roots, and practicing Messianic Judaism. That what it was for the first 300-400 years after Yeshua ascended back to the Father. They worshiped in Synagogues. Remember, Yeshua didn't come to start a new religion. It was Judaism with Messiah. Messiah had come. Then man got a hold of it (Rome) and then things really started to go bad. Oh vey!

Judaism does not borrow from any other religion. It is the one true faith that G-d of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and revealed through them to Israel, the Jews.

And yes Western Civilized law is based-on, modeled after, reflects, founding principles of truth as revealed through the 10 Commandments given to Moshe (Moses) on Mt. Sinai by G-d.

Keeping this climbing related:

(By the way, HaShem, G-d is way into climbing. He's always asking his followers, servants, prophets, and even his very Son, to come up the mountain. Something very special about climbing and going up the mountain. Yeshua more than likely climbed Mt. Hermon, when he transfigured before two of his disciples while talking to two other heavenly beings.)

Mt. Hermon (9,232', 2,814m)

By the way, you can ski Mt. Hermon!

http://hermonski.co.il/index.php

Tvash

climber

Seattle

Jul 25, 2014 - 01:55pm PT

Nope, you still don't get it. Until you do some research that doesn't limit itself to the Bible or Torah - you will continue to be in the dark on this.

The earliest writings on humanism and human rights hail from the Greeks. No Yawah involved.

There were likely earlier takes on humanism that have been lost.

High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber

Jul 25, 2014 - 01:57pm PT

tvash, meet klimmer. :)

.....

few people have an original thought...

Speak for yourself.

In fact, your posts by and large sound like Klimmer's. Are you his twin?

Tvash

climber

Seattle

Jul 25, 2014 - 02:07pm PT

People in increasing numbers are discovering that its so much easier to treat each other better without God telling you you need to be an as#@&%e or suffer His consequences.

Just say no to the cartoon.

Tvash

climber

Seattle

Jul 25, 2014 - 02:08pm PT

We're the same as 5000 years ago?

Um...no we're not - by any measure.

Klimmer

Mountain climber

Jul 25, 2014 - 02:21pm PT

Tvash,

HaShem Adonai Elohim's salvation plan starts with Adam and Eve, the first modern Homo sapien couple. (We aren't talking about hominids from before that time. That is a whole other discussion.) We are talking approximately 5774 years ago BC/BCE, according to the Jewish calendar based on the genealogy from Adam. This was long before the Greeks were ever around.

When Adam and Eve sinned, who walked in the Garden and asked them "Where are you?" In other words, Where do you find yourselves now?

That was per-incarnate Yeshua, The Angel of The Lord, often called Metatron by Rabbinic Orthodox Jews. G-d already had the plan before the creation of the Universe. He knew what we would do and how it would all go down through history. The word of G-d was already written, it just had to be given to man or written through men under his inspiration.

HaShem is omnipotent.

Tvash

climber

Seattle

Jul 25, 2014 - 02:31pm PT

Adam and Eve.

OK.

Bye!

BLUEBLOCR

Social climber

joshua tree

Jul 27, 2014 - 10:41am PT

^^^Is that a Theory, or Scientific Conclusion?

BLUEBLOCR

Social climber

joshua tree

Jul 27, 2014 - 11:08am PT

Personally, I agree that mostly we haven't changed much.

Naw, ....and prolly not much between 5k-10k yrs ago? But what about 10k-20k yrs ago, or 20k-200k yrs ago? Mother Nature obviously didn't change much. Or we ALL would've stopped breath'in! Are we much different than "Lucy", the "first" human? Communicatively yea!, but Characterly? Did she spawn conscious, or did conscious spawn her? Seems queer that mother nature would spawn a female before a male, needing that testosterone and sh!t for the stronger to survive?

High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber

Jul 27, 2014 - 01:24pm PT

I said this many years ago here but for sake of reinforcement sure I'll say it again...

The Abrahamic religions, all of them - Judaism, Christianity, and Islam - are pushers of superstition... and as those educated in science already know... pushers of superstition have no future.

I thank Zeus everyday for the likes of Neil deGrasse Tyson, Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris, etc..

What hope there is lies in young people. Go young people!

thebravecowboy

climber

in the face of the fury of the funk

Jul 27, 2014 - 01:58pm PT

BLUEBLOCR

Social climber

joshua tree

Jul 27, 2014 - 02:35pm PT

pushers of superstition have no future.

I thank Zeus everyday for the likes of Neil deGrasse Tyson, Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris, etc..

i thank God everyday for the likes of them and you! For we All have Truths to share. They are gifts, both genetic and spiritual. No matter if your using them to move away from God, or closer to Him.

We should ALL give Thanks!

These three gentlemen's career has taken a trajectory opposite the bible.
They could be thankful for having something to oppose?

In the Deterministic Cause-and-effect system, what is the benefit of opposition?

vvvyou haven't seen their video's?

StahlBro

Trad climber

San Diego, CA

Jul 27, 2014 - 02:53pm PT

Opposite the Bible? They are scientists and philosophers. They are not biased by the Bible.

Klimmer

Mountain climber

Jul 28, 2014 - 12:27pm PT

And yet so many of our founding fathers of modern science were believers.

Science and Faith go together to make the person whole. Why do you only want to use half your brain and half your abilities? Modern Natural Philosophy is still the way to harmonize it all.

Want to see our nation healed and do better for everyone? What to see rain in due season and end the drought? The word of G-d is full of examples where G-d held back the blessings to a nation, and held back the rain, due to the sins and corruption of a nation.

2 Chronicles 7:14 ( KJV)
"If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land."