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MisterE
Social climber
Across town from Easy Street
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All this thinking about who's right and who's wrong
The heart of community gets lost
You are no longer my brother
you believe differently
So much lost
Sad
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Ouch!
climber
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Lives of quiet desperation, or as Chief Dan George put it, "Endeavor to Persevere". We all lurch through life, seeking ways to make it through the dark nights with a minimum of discomfort. I suspect the most unhappy are those who cannot imagine. Years ago as small children, we learned to build walls and adopt roles to play throughout our lives. Maybe none of us are who we really are. Just what we have become to present ourselves to the world, which does nothing to answer that one big question. One guess is no more or less valid than another.
Whatever keeps you going.
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Lost Arrow
Trad climber
The North Ridge of the San Fernando
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We are born into a world of suffering and pain. I offer compassion and help to all I can. It is the least I can do.
I see myself as the stuff of the universe the heavy metals of my body born in a supernova explosion billions of years ago.
Jeff
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MisterE
Social climber
Across town from Easy Street
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Wes,
that was analagous poetry
not direct intent.
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Ouch!
climber
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I was about to mention your head looks like it has worn out three bodies. You may be older than you think.
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L
climber
NoName City and It Don't Look Pretty
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"Fine, if that's the way you want it. But just know, I will always be here to take you back.
I love you.
Weschrist, Buddy...take that sediment-hard sentiment to a private email, will ya?
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nature
climber
Flagstaff, AZ
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May 11, 2007 - 09:15pm PT
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After almost a week of pondering this thread I felt I needed to add something. I've ignored most of the posts Jody has started mostly because as mentioned above it felt like I was doing nothing but pulling teeth. I think many of us hope we can somehow have a two-way conversation with Jody and get him to ponder just for a second our point of view. Many of us have been flustered by the fact that though we try we really feel we get nowhere with that goal. Such is the way that it is.
I embraced this thread and responded due to a conversation about "God" that I had had the night before my first post to this thread. I felt as though in a way I was reaching out to Jody - showing him I can see things differently and am willing to consider alternative ways of thinking other than the norm for me. I felt I might be able to get him to do the same. Moosie has been very supportive and offered some incredibly kind words in my direction. Much of what John said came close to my heart and made me rethink the way I percieve things. He opened my mind just a bit more and allowed me to learn a little bit about myself.
Though my goal ( I suppose in a way) was to get Jody to rethink things, in the end it was I that rethought things. I was hoping Jody might change just a little but the reality is that it was me that changed. For that I want to say (Jody) that I thank you for starting this thread.
I am still perplexed about something. Jody made it rather obvious that the person he reached out to months ago was me. I apparently owe him something for that. I don't understand that. What do I owe (you) Jody? A bit of searching (um... too much searching) on this forum would turn up a number of posts where I called Jody names (Idiot, Judy, etc.). I respect Jody enough to no longer do that. But to not be critical of his way of thinking that is dead wrong in my reality - Is that what is owed here? It's a crazy concept that I somehow owe someone that reached out to me - owe them that I won't be critical and point out my opposition due to the reaching out?
Awe but whatever.. in the grand scheme of things it really doesn't matter.
Peace out...
Doug
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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May 11, 2007 - 09:36pm PT
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First strike - you are born wrong...
Second strike - you are not us...
Third strike - the majority of the world's population has been doomed to suffer for all eternity since the beginning...
Three strikes, each a more debilitating and despicable lie told solely to seperate and control people with fear - religion is at the heart of why we cannot live together. And it is by design. I care about God - and the insanity, havoc and damage this illusion still creates around the world each and every day.
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WBraun
climber
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May 11, 2007 - 09:41pm PT
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Soon you will have visitor, healyje.
You will become very scared.
It will become very dark
You will be looking for your headlamp torch
Without light first, no knowledge ......
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cintune
climber
Penn's Woods
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May 11, 2007 - 10:34pm PT
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Christianity is a cult based on the adoration of a quasi-historical character who co-opted a hodgepodge of Judaic traditions and prophesied the end of the world, just before getting himself executed as a blood sacrifice. During his career as a mystic he managed to attract followers, who fully expected the end of the world and the resurrection of the dead to be imminent once their master left them. This did not happen, because it can't happen, so instead it became a metaphor and the basis of a vast edifice of wishful thinking. People believe what they want to believe.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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May 11, 2007 - 10:38pm PT
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People believe what they want to believe.
Well,
at least you got that right!
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WBraun
climber
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May 11, 2007 - 10:40pm PT
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People believe what they want to believe.
And that will hold true for everything you say too cintune.
If this is what you really BELIEVE .....
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bvb
Social climber
flagstaff arizona
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May 11, 2007 - 10:45pm PT
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ok, last post.
i don't care about god.
because i do not believe that there is a "god", at least not as you define him/her/it.
i kind of subscribe to the whole "gaia" thing, although i do not pay much attention to it.
i do beleive there is a power in in the universe that transcends our ability to concieve.
i do not, however, beleive that this "power" is going to send us all to an eternal "hell" if we do not accept his "son", jesus christ", as our "savior"
p.s. -- you are an idiot. me? american fukking legend, beotch.
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WBraun
climber
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May 11, 2007 - 10:48pm PT
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"i do not, however, beleive that this "power" is going to send us all to an eternal "hell"
Yes, so true. Just as the prisoner is released after serving time.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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May 11, 2007 - 10:52pm PT
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If this is what you really BELIEVE
Experience negates the need for belief
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WBraun
climber
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May 11, 2007 - 10:57pm PT
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My experience tells me that the sun will rise always in the east.
I believe it will sink in the west.
Why?
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John Moosie
climber
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May 11, 2007 - 11:12pm PT
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"I Love Jesus, I Hate Christianity" by KIm Michaels.
Changed my perspective.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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May 11, 2007 - 11:14pm PT
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I believe it will sink in the west.
Why?
Because it is experienced fact
Repeatedly!
As sure as a "burning bush" moment
is as real as a 60' leader fall.
Where's Largo when you need him, to chime in?
I think he "gets" it.
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WBraun
climber
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May 11, 2007 - 11:17pm PT
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So why does Mr Sun not rise randomly everywhere and sink anywhere?
And why you need Largo?
Is he your Jesus?
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John Moosie
climber
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May 11, 2007 - 11:21pm PT
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Read the book Jody. Christianity has been hijacked.
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