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Jody
Mountain climber
Templeton, CA
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Topic Author's Original Post - May 5, 2007 - 09:56pm PT
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The mere fact that there are threads posted about God such as, "I do not care if God Exists or not", "Fun without God", "Looking for Jesus", shows how much you really care. Oh, you talk big and criticize any and everything relating to God and Jesus but the truth of the matter is something is missing in your life and you are searching for it.
I have been accused of "Bible-thumping" here in the past but there is far more anti-God stuff being jammed down our throats in these threads.
I guess I could call you "anti-Bible thumpers."
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Ouch!
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It ain't you, Babe.
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Ouch!
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It ain't you I'm lookin' for, babe
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WBraun
climber
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I care, so please do not be angry with me .....
So please let me offer my respectful obeisances unto the bee like devotees who always taste the honey of the lotus feet of the Lord.
And let the swan of my mind enter into the stem of thy lotus feet.
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cintune
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Penn's Woods
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Atheist threads are all the same. After a while all the same points are made over and over. But no, Jody, I detect no great void, moral or otherwise, in my life without having to resort to mythological assurances. The world is an interesting place, and among the interesting things are people who advocate or practice irrational belief systems as means to a variety of ends. Some are good, some bad. None are necessary, but we believe what we want, not what we need.
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WBraun
climber
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So as I swim under the water; I believe and I want some air to breath.
Soon I run out of air in lungs, so now I want and need some air.
I must surface soon ......
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Ouch!
climber
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"Go way from my window
go at your own chosen speed"
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John Moosie
climber
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Hey Jody,
You profess to believe in Jesus which as I understand means that Jesus is your example to live by. You might believe that Jesus is more then this but I would like to start with the idea that he is your example.
If he is your example then I would ask you to examine your attitude on this forum. You often sound defensive and angry. I wonder if this is an attitude that Jesus would promote. It is the carnal mind which is angry and defensive. The Christ mind is Loving. You also sound judgemental even though Jesus taught us to not judge unless we are prepared to be judged according to the same standard. This is basically the do unto others as you would have them do unto you teaching.
Your example on this forum has also been to only forgive when you are forgiven. This is also not according to Jesus' teachings. So how about Being the Light that Jesus called you to be and BE more forgiving. Be willing to accept people where they are even if they are Atheist or even antagonistic to your teachings. This is the way of forgiveness. And yes, I know that this is very difficult as I am dealing with a difficult situation with a neighboring church camp that wants to do a major expansion in my sweet little Wawona. I have allowed myself to sink into anger. I believe that Jesus would have taught me to forgive and rise above the anger.
The only people Jesus chastised were the leaders of the church, his disciples and the money changers who were robbing the people. Paul said that we must put on the mind of Christ which is the way of Love. Is it Loving to give so much anger? Giving Love is not up to how others treat you. This would be loving your friend. Jesus called us to go beyond that and Love our enemy. This is treating others as you would like to be treated. I have seen you be snide and condescending. How can you expect respect when you do not give it? Love your enemy. Do good unto those who spitefully use you, for this is the way of Love and the way of eternal Life.
I would ask to examine something else. You appear to be a letter of the law kind of guy yet Jesus was a Spirit of the Law kind of guy. He chastized the leaders of the the Jewish Church for obeying the letter of the law and not the spirit. I would challenge you to try and understand the spirit of the Law which is love and see if you have been Loving on this forum or if you have been angry and judgemental.
As Jesus taught, we reap what we sow. What do you reap here? I see you reaping appreciation for your photography and your willingness to share it with us but I also see you reaping anger and judgement because of your anger and judgement. Perhaps it would benefit you to first look in the mirror and take the beam out of your own eye before you try to remove the speck from someone else's eye. This is the action of loving yourself first so that you have the love to give to others.
And Ouch, I would ask you to respect my conversation with Jody and not make any cartoons, although I do appreciate your sense of humour.
John
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elcap-pics
climber
Crestline CA
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Yeah.. these threads about God or No God are all the same... it is a waste of time and emotion to go over and over these things on this forum... Believers are not going to convince non-believers and visa versa... so much energy being wasted and so much anger between people... let's be done with these unproductive rants from both sides.... Please?
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Ouch!
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LOL! Locker, maybe it's the glue again or you got a blue moon in yo eye.
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WBraun
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Ok so we change subject,
Today I stuck my hand in crack and pull up. Up up I went.
At belay I tied special knot so I don't end up somewhere where everyone does not know about or where.
Where is this place?
The scientists have not found. They do not know.
The ostrich like humans stick their heads in the sand,
And give us answers that we must believe .......
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Ouch!
climber
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"Where is this place?"
Where SAR fears to tread?
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Mighty Hiker
Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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I can't comment on the theological issues that Jody raises - you either believe, or you don't. Such things are not susceptible to rational debate. But the fact that one can find bits of religion in almost any aspect of our society, or that some debate religion and god, isn't conclusive of anything.
The existence of a sincerely-held belief, and debate about the belief, doesn't necessarily prove anything - except that some people have that belief. Whether it's about one brand or other of Christianity, or some competing religion, or something else entirely - global warming, conspiracy theories, flat earth society, or whatever.
Religion so permeates our culture, for historical and other reasons, that it's hard to get away from it. American paper currency says "In god we trust", but that doesn't prove that there's a god. Many popular curses have religious origins, but that doesn't prove that those using those curses are religious.
The believers, particularly those from proselytizing faiths, are sometimes their own worst enemies. Self-righteous preaching is often offensive and arrogant. Those who start debates in that manner can hardly complain if the response is in kind, or even pre-emptive.
I hope for a world where the religious bunch stop preaching at me, and the anti-religious bunch gain a little civility. That may require divine intervention, but should not be taken as proof that I believe in such.
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cintune
climber
Penn's Woods
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Where does a flame go when it is extinguished?
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WBraun
climber
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The sun is located at a certain fixed-up place.
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Ouch!
climber
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"Where does a flame go when it is extinguished?"
Portola?
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John Moosie
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Yes Crowley, the SDA camp is expanding. They are doing a complete teardown and building all new facilities including a new gymnasium which they have not had. A new cafeteria which is expanded from seating 165 people to seating over 350 people. And A new chapel capable of seating over 350 people which they don't currently have. They are turning from a sleepy summer camp with tents and wagons to sleep in with some rustic lodge buildings to having luxerious lodge facilities for everyone capable of year around operations. They are more then doubling their square footage from 43,000 square feet to over 112,000 square feet. They are doubling their year around staff from 7 to 15 and they are increasing the number of horses they have from somewhere around 35 to 80.
They will be doing this building project over the next 20 years and because they say it is not an expansion the park service has signed off on it and so has the community of wawona. That was done with small town politics by having a vote when two members of the deciding board could not attend.
Now it is up to the Mariposa board of supervisors which appear to be prepared to vote for it because the SDA has over 20,000 members and there are only about 50 people here in Wawona who are opposed to the scope of the project.
It sucks. It would be difficult to explain all of the subterfuge that has gone on with this project. They pretend to be above board but it is bogus. ugh.. I could go on and on but dey aint nothing you can do so I will quit.
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John Moosie
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Hey Jody,
I am only telling you what I see. It is up to you to determine the validity.
As for people talking about God. Since I believe that God exists and is real, then I can see why they would. As for talking about religion, well religion is a way for man to try and understand God. It might be inspired by God but it is mans creation. Some is according to God's will and some isn't. So I can understand why people would want to talk about it.
It still seems like this thread is meant to be anagonistic. but if you say it is not, then I will accept that.
John
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WBraun
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This thread is like an accident to the unconscious.
They don't want to look, but still they can't turn away.
The inconceivable all attractive potency of the Supreme lord attracts everyone, atheists, theists and all others.
Just see ......
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