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Norton
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The Wastelands
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Feb 28, 2019 - 01:35pm PT
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IOW anyone who sides with The President Of The United States is a lowlife scumbag. right?
You Damn Right
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10b4me
Social climber
Lida Junction
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Feb 28, 2019 - 03:33pm PT
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Not at all. Some of my long time friends are tRump supporters.
Do you know why they support him?
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sween345
climber
back east
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Feb 28, 2019 - 04:37pm PT
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I should have known that someone would want to defend Ms. Ocasio or her ideals and I would feel compelled to defend my posting. I try to avoid political contentions because they never seem to have an agreeable resolution. It's like when they say to play the market with your head and not your heart, and people (being people) get scared and emotional, leading to poor judgment and bad decisions. My personal outlook is that politicians are only in it for themselves and I don't trust any of them.
willbeer, I watched the video and what I saw was orchestrated grand theater. Ms. Ocasio was given the role of executioner and she handled it well, but make no mistake the whole scene was scripted to the point it sounded like Cohen had already heard the questions.
At about 1:25 Ms. Ocasio starts grinning and gets a bit tongue tied, seemingly with glee, about driving past "Trump" golf course. She makes statements about the city building the golf course, and Trump getting all the benefit. Although her precise words aren't wrong she omitted one major factor. The city had spent the $127 million before Trump went anywhere near the place. They had exhausted all resources for money and needed to complete the work. Trump, like the unconscionable worm that he is stuck it to them. Don't forget another $70 million or so for the public park adjoining the golf course. All of it was a bad idea from the start.
https://www.crainsnewyork.com/article/20160714/BLOGS04/160719951/new-york-city-to-donald-trump-you-didn-t-build-that-public-bronx-golf-course
Ken M, I don't know why you had to throw "if you had a clue" jab but you can make a point without trying to disparage me.
What I see in the chart I posted is legacy poverty worsened, if not outright created, by social policies rife with corruption. A system that steers people to self reliance would obviously make more sense, but the elected gangsters won't break down their own racket.
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Splater
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Grey Matter
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Feb 28, 2019 - 06:26pm PT
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^^^ It's a republican method, if you could read more than one cherry picking.
"Republicans have already won two motions to recommit this Congress, including a Wednesday vote that angered Ocasio-Cortez and other progressives. In contrast, Republicans stuck together and never lost a single such motion when they controlled the House from 2011 to 2019."
So your logic applied to the precedent setters means:
Wow. This sounds pretty ominous about the republicans.
Is "republican" now slang for an arm breaker?
Maybe someone like putin/stalin?
https://dailyIamAnut-leader-violent-plutocrat/oligarch.plz
Why is it okay that for 40 years now, dems are supposed to play by the mother_teresa book of rules and republicans play by the putin book of rules?
Funny, that's the same 40 year era in which plutocrats corrupted the federal government.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Feb 28, 2019 - 06:56pm PT
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"Why is it okay that for 40 years now, dems are supposed to play by the mother_teresa book of rules and republicans play by the putin book of rules?"
Damn fine question!
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Norton
climber
The Wastelands
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Feb 28, 2019 - 06:59pm PT
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Why is it okay that for 40 years now, dems are supposed to play by the mother_teresa book of rules and republicans play by the putin book of rules?
good question, and the answer in my opinion is that the Dems hold themselves to higher standards, ethically, morally, environmentally, fiscally as in deficit, gender and racial equality wise, pretty much everything
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10b4me
Social climber
Lida Junction
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Feb 28, 2019 - 08:57pm PT
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Treezypoof
Trad climber
Cyberia
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Feb 28, 2019 - 09:35pm PT
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I don't know if I'd go with "amusing". I don't speak with my parents anymore.
There is no excuse for fox nation. The "differing opinions" argument doesn't hold any water.
But I've gone through the 5 stages of grief regarding the idiocracy. It wasn't too long ago that Mr. Lituya (who creepily and anonymously might actually know me) was able to throw me into a fit.
The writing is on the wall for the GOP. They've dug their own grave. Whether the individual members decide to jump in there is up to them.
Time to continue on my own personal path of redemption and try to be a positive influence on those I encounter.
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Roughster
Sport climber
Vacaville, CA
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Feb 28, 2019 - 10:02pm PT
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AOC will be president in your lifetime. Get used to the idea :)
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Feb 28, 2019 - 10:21pm PT
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“The writing is on the wall for the GOP. They've dug their own grave.”
Heard that before. Don’t hold your breath. About half the nation were suckered into voting for this d#@&%ebag, and there damn sure hasn’t been any sudden increase in the intelligence quotient of the country in the last 2 years.
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Treezypoof
Trad climber
Cyberia
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Feb 28, 2019 - 10:53pm PT
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Seems to me that things have been building over time and Trump is really in some legal trouble that will eventually be undeniable to all but the truly pathological. I grew up in an evangelical environment and I do think they have their limit.
The media does love to run stories about how die hard his base is, but I'm not sure it's 100% and he really doesn't have that much wiggle room. We've already seen some serious backlash and he's only begun to get exposed with the new congress.
You can't stop the tide when it turns. Enough people will realize they've made asses of themselves and will pretend they never laid down with the flea ridden dog.
But who knows I guess.
The quoted line wasn't really my point.
I've got a young kid so I have to have some hope or I'll lose my mind.
All I can do is not contribute to the vitriol and try to support whomever is bravest in the fight to solve our real problems like a truly f*#ked health care system and climate/environmental issues.
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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AOC will be president in your lifetime. Get used to the idea :)
More likely, she'll be one and done. A political Chumbawamba.
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TradMike
Trad climber
Cincinnati, Ohio
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I am not Republican nor Democrat so I try to discuss the issues without anyone influencing my opinion. When you put yourself in a bucket, you become close minded and vote with the mob, Mob Rule so to speak. Everything needs to be discussed intelligently and both sides must hear the other and work out their differences. The second name calling generalizations are brought out, you are no longer solving a problem and boiled down to just name calling and zero progress.
Healthcare: I know of a rural (farmers) hospital in Ohio that is owned by the doctors and if you want to work there, you buy in ownership. The doctors had set up their own insurance program for the local population. Up until the ACA, they charged around $1,000 a year per family for full coverage including any procedure they were capable of handling and that was just about everything you would ever need. The ACA made their system illegal and shut it down. Why would a perfectly good solution be shut down by someone who I thought wanted to do good? The ACA can't even come close to touching the system it killed.
Welfare: It puts a disincentive on work and you get a population of people who don't want to work and want to work the system. It currently destroys families and the bonds needed to become successful. Just look at what it has done to the black population. Up until the major welfare programs, blacks had families, marriage and employment in much greater percentages.
Population / Immigration: We are choking the planet to death with an out of control human population. The result is pollution. Nitrates will kill the Oceans and our oxygen supply eventually. Carbon will acidify our oceans and create a blanket in the atmosphere. Get ready for red tides, dead zones, seaweed that piles up on the winward side of land masses, etc. Let people overpopulate an area with limited resources then migrate away to overpopulate somewhere else and you have a big problem. The problem needs to be address where they are migrating away from and why. Address those problems and survive or run from your problems to stave it off a few more years until the next area becomes a problem. Very concerning.
Living Wage: There are too many people for all of us to have a good job. It only works when everyone contributes. Look at the people of Alaska. They all work hard and survive. Sometimes they help one another when needed in a barter system. Its a hard life but it works. Or you can have some capitalist who will create an innovation (computers for example) and ride that wave of expansion but then when the wave ends what do you do? You have a lot of people looking for something to do or not.
Global Trade: Seems like a lot of our jobs are going away to cheap labor somewhere else. Then we buy these products to a debt on our end. This makes matters even worse. Trade only works when it is even. A barter system where you give me something and I give you something back. As soon as it is out of balance, the one side is taking advantage of the other and debts and job loss will result. Eventually, you have nothing more to give (no products being produced) and nothing more to take (don't have any money since I don't have a job).
After I look at the issues that I see as big problems, I pick the lesser of two evils. Nobody (DEM or REP) in government has come close to solving them and I don't see anyone that has any good ideas. Both sides are crazy and in it for themselves. Jump out of your party affiliation and think for yourself.
When you start calling someone names, you are no better yourself. Think about that for a moment before you breed more hate. I am working hard to not go there anymore. I saw something heartening in NC last year. Two political officials from the Left and Right agreed to sit down and listen to one another without any hate or name calling that would cloud judgement. They actually listened to each others side and agreed to try to solve a problem. They both came away understanding why each other felt the way they did and agreeded to try to solve the problem that would benefit both.
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10b4me
Social climber
Lida Junction
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Welfare: It puts a disincentive on work and you get a population of people who don't want to work and want to work the system. It currently destroys families and the bonds needed to become successful. Just look at what it has done to the black population. Up until the major welfare programs, blacks had families, marriage and employment in much greater percentages.
Destroys families?
Population / Immigration: We are choking the planet to death with an out of control human population. The result is pollution. Nitrates will kill the Oceans and our oxygen supply eventually. Carbon will acidify our oceans and create a blanket in the atmosphere. Get ready for red tides, dead zones, seaweed that piles up on the winward side of land masses, etc. Let people overpopulate an area with limited resources then migrate away to overpopulate somewhere else and you have a big problem. The problem needs to be address where they are migrating away from and why. Address those problems and survive or run from your problems to stave it off a few more years until the next area becomes a problem. Very concerning.
If you are talking about Latin American countries, there is a lot of corruption. many of these governments were installed by the us.
Global Trade: Seems like a lot of our jobs are going away to cheap labor somewhere else. Then we buy these products to a debt on our end. This makes matters even worse. Trade only works when it is even. A barter system where you give me something and I give you something back. As soon as it is out of balance, the one side is taking advantage of the other and debts and job loss will result. Eventually, you have nothing more to give (no products being produced) and nothing more to take (don't have any money since I don't have a job).
It's basically the fault of the american consumer.
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TradMike
Trad climber
Cincinnati, Ohio
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Destroys families?
The most devastating by-product of the mushrooming welfare state is the corrosive effect it has on American family life, particularly in the black community. As provisions in welfare laws offered ever-increasing economic incentives for shunning marriage and avoiding the formation of two-parent families, illegitimacy rates rose dramatically.
If you are talking about Latin American countries, there is a lot of corruption. many of these governments were installed by the us.
No. I am talking about too much procreation by humans to the point you use up all the resources in that area and must flee elsewhere. Some areas/individuals tend to procreate a lot more than others. The surging global population is what is killing the planet and causing climate change. It needs to slow down and reverse direction or death to everyone. Immigration is just a symptom of the problem.
It's basically the fault of the american consumer.
I believe Bill Clinton signed NAFTA with Republican support and our government has allowed the unbalanced/one sided trade so the minority can profit at the expense of the little people (both parties). The American consumer will buy whatever is cheapest even if it hurts their neighbor or themselves.
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Living Wage: There are too many people for all of us to have a good job.
Bull f*#king sh#t
edit: please pardon my French
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Gary, if he amended it to “there are too many high school dropouts to merit well paid jobs” would you stop swearing?
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10b4me
Social climber
Lida Junction
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You say that you are neither a democrat, or republican. I get the impression that your political views are right of center.
The most devastating by-product of the mushrooming welfare state is the corrosive effect it has on American family life, particularly in the black community. As provisions in welfare laws offered ever-increasing economic incentives for shunning marriage and avoiding the formation of two-parent families, illegitimacy rates rose dramatically.
I hope you know that historically white people have benefited the most from welfare.
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seano
Mountain climber
none
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The "mushrooming welfare state" "destroys families?" Surely there couldn't be a simpler explanation for more unwed births, such as more women being able to support themselves rather than staying in shitty marriages.
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