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Sierra Ledge Rat
Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
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Oct 30, 2018 - 05:07am PT
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Brennan is totally correct
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Gunkie
Trad climber
Valles Marineris
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Oct 30, 2018 - 05:36am PT
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Insecurity & Fear
Insecurity with their beliefs
Insecurity with their skills
Insecurity with their accomplishments
Fear of the unknown
Fear of 'the other'
Fear of their own insecurities
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jonnyrig
climber
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Oct 30, 2018 - 06:56am PT
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I'm tired of the hatred.
It's one of the reasons I don't post much around here anymore. Anyone got a mirror?
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dirtbag
climber
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Oct 30, 2018 - 07:17am PT
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Brennan is totally correct
Yep.
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Oct 30, 2018 - 07:30am PT
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Insecurity & Fear
Dominant aspects of all the politically tainted threads.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Oct 30, 2018 - 10:49am PT
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Common courtesy is on the decline.
I'm not sure I entirely agree.
I'm disabled at this point, and have to use a cane to walk(used to be a wheelchair) I'm always impressed by how many people hold doors for me, let me go first through a door, etc. Very courteous. Seems to apply to any race, although I do see a difference with age (less courtesy with teens, increases with age----I put down to general awareness of whats going on around them, as opposed to a decision)
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dirtbag
climber
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Oct 30, 2018 - 11:47am PT
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Great to hear from you Ken. Hope to hear more from you in the days ahead.
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
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Oct 30, 2018 - 02:18pm PT
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I'm disabled at this point, and have to use a cane to walk(used to be a wheelchair) I'm always impressed by how many people hold doors for me, let me go first through a door, etc. Very courteous. Seems to apply to any race, although I do see a difference with age (less courtesy with teens, increases with age----I put down to general awareness of whats going on around them, as opposed to a decision)
I am routinely seeing Trump supporters parking in handicapped spots without a handicap permit - even though other open parking spots are available 5 feet away.
A trump supporter in a pickup truck sped past a school bus with flashing red lights and killed several children.
Trump supporters are selfish bastards.
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Sport climber
moving thru
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 30, 2018 - 02:52pm PT
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Choice......do you realize when you constantly use the name Trump you are choosing to keep the name front and center. What if.....no one reacted, spoke it? What if you all began to talk about the names of those you want to be elected and why? What if......?
And what if you actually respected the Thread Topics?
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Oct 30, 2018 - 03:20pm PT
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Is it okay for me to hate mosquito's?
How about bad architecture? I don't hate the architects, they deserve pity.
I haven't found it in me to hate people, although I do get pretty pissed sometimes. Do I hate the 911 hijackers or the Vegas shooter? I don't know, although I sure as hell would if my wife was on one of those planes or killed by the shooter.
I guess sometimes it's about how hard we're pushed.
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Oct 30, 2018 - 03:52pm PT
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People who are quick to lose their temper are more likely to overestimate their own intelligence, a new study from The University of Western Australia and the University of Warsaw in Poland has found.
The investigation examined the role of trait-anger (people who get angry as a disposition) in the overestimation of cognitive ability in undergraduates from Warsaw, Poland.
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johntp
Trad climber
Little Rock and Loving It
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Oct 30, 2018 - 04:34pm PT
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I'll throw a flip side of the coin. Some here choose caring and compassion. Many on this forum would (and have) spent time and $$ to help each other.
The human race has many foibles. Some people are good, some are not good. My thought is that most just want a comfortable life and be surrounded by friends and loved ones.
To place focus on hate is a one sided process. On this forum alone we have seen quite a bit of giving.
I'd rather focus on the good I see in the world. Do really bad things happen? Yes. Evil people need to be called and dealt with.
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Oct 30, 2018 - 06:00pm PT
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which makes the REAL problem the masses who keep walking away from that responsibility of theirs...
A therapist is talking with a guy who got in trouble a few times for fighting.
“So, do you enjoy beating the crap out of people?”
“No, not really.”
“Tell me about this last one. Why did you assault him?”
“He was an a**hole. He deserved it, he punched my buddy for no good reason.”
“There are lot’s of a**holes in the world. Most people don’t go around beating them up.”
“Right. Why do you think there are so many then?”
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Trump
climber
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Oct 30, 2018 - 06:15pm PT
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Sierra Ledge Rat - Baader-Meinhoff phenomenon, possibly. What seems to us to be our balanced objective way of perceiving reality is actually a system that’s been honed by 4 billion years of survival of (me) the fittest.
Not saying that there aren’t selfish bastards in the world, just that who we notice as being a selfish bastard might not be totally unbiased by our me-centric ways of thinking. We’re definitely not apt to see one in the mirror, regardless of how self-interested our own thinking processes are.
Actually, not seeing one in the mirror is probably one of our most valuable self-interested thinking processes, and it maybe shouldn’t surprise us that other people are so good at it too.
If you want to do a more objective experiment, go through all of the supertopo posts and see how many people are criticizing themselves or their own tribe, versus how many people are criticizing other people or other tribes. I expect we all already know what we’ll find.
Selfish bastards? Hatred? Most violent animal? Ok, fair enough. But there’s also more to us than that.
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
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Oct 30, 2018 - 06:35pm PT
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Baader-Meinhoff phenomenon, possibly
Nope
Trump people are arrogant, racist, selfish bastards
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Oct 30, 2018 - 06:42pm PT
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Whether you are just a troll or not.
Just by pointing out the hypocracy,or so you call it , you are proving SLR right.
Ffsakes people were gunned down.
Here you are rationalizing,in effect normalizing that this is what humanity is and was.
What you may have seen today,if any of you effen care,was a city that did not want the dear divider coming to their town.
See what this breeds.
Read some history.
Standing up to fascism,bigotry is NOT hating,it is our duty,as it was my fathers in WWII.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Oct 30, 2018 - 06:54pm PT
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This is what I mean about a platform.
You believe who you want to.
And, I asked that you delete this thread once,you have given everyone including me ample time to discuss this,now is time to shut it down. If not for anything but the respect of Pittsburgh and it’s terrorized populace.
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Oct 30, 2018 - 07:10pm PT
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Right on Wilbeer! You go man!
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Oct 30, 2018 - 07:17pm PT
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Lynne - what you're trying to do is admirable. And I respect how you've handled yourself in this thread.
Unfortunately, some people prefer to wallow in their hatred. The bathe in it. And they seem to think sharing that hatred... imposing it on others... somehow makes a difference.
I'm all for standing up for what you believe is right. But I also think you do so in an effective manner.
In the end, you just gotta live with integrity and not get bogged down in needless drama.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Oct 30, 2018 - 07:22pm PT
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Drama is getting killed when you are at your place of worship.
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