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rectorsquid
climber
Lake Tahoe
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Jan 31, 2013 - 06:44pm PT
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You really don't see the difference between disliking members of a group that pride themselves on their absurd believes (Morons), and disliking people based on ethnicity (blacks and Jews)?
If you hate (or just judge) a single individual because of the group to which they belong, you are prejudice. You have judged them before you actually know them. There is absolutely no difference just because the group is made common by their color or religion.
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Jan 31, 2013 - 07:36pm PT
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The Post Register, a daily newspaper in Idaho Fall Idaho had a long fight exposing sexual abuse of local Boy Scouts.
http://www.postregister.com/scouts_honor/index.php
"Scouts' Honor" tells the story that the Boy Scouts did not want you to read: How the Grand Teton Council leaders ignored multiple warnings and hired a pedophile to help lead a summer camp.
This series relies on public documents that two of Idaho's most powerful law firms tried to bury -- more than 1,000 pages, including sworn statements that spell out how the molester depended on church, family and Scout connections to get away with abusing at least two dozen boys from Idaho to Alaska.
Sick of being preyed on, a 14-year-old Scout forced Scout leaders to call police.
At least one Grand Teton Council board officer knew Brad Stowell had a problem.
Experts disagree, widely, whether it was certain that Stowell would strike again.
After the molester was caught, what did Grand Teton Council leaders decide to change?
Where are the key Scout officials and other players today?
What should you do if you think you, your child or a friend was in harm's way?
March 11, 2005
Secret Boy Scout case opened
Leaders: Telling parents about molester would 'open old wounds'
April 6, 2005
Stowell faces probation hearing
Former Boy Scouts leader allegedly violated his probation for interacting with children and viewing pornography
April 26, 2005
Stowell sentenced to prison
Man who admitted molesting boys gets 2 to 14 years for probation violation
May 05, 2005
Scouts whistleblower honored
Police and sheriff's office recognize Adam Steed for his service to the community
July 13, 2005
Scout case 'not found'
Court records show fourth pedophile led several Boy Scouts outings
March 14, 2006
Abuse bill now law
As of Monday, Idaho no longer has a statute of limitations on child sex abuse
July 03, 2005
MORE PEDOPHILE CASES EMERGE WITH SCOUT CAMP CONNECTIONS
PEDOPHILES AT SCOUT CAMP
March 6, 2005
A true story of a Scout in action
Denying the obvious
March 11, 2005
A hypocrite plays his games
March 13, 2005
The judgment
May 01, 2005
Seven years later
July 14, 2005
And then there were four
March 6, 2005
A Boy Scout to the end -- Mary Beckman
March 9, 2005
Scouts Honor was a disservice -- Mary Haley
March 10, 2005
When warnings go unheeded -- Richard Scarborough
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Jan 31, 2013 - 07:36pm PT
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There is absolutely no difference just because the group is made common by their color or religion.
Sure there is. You choose your religion, you don't choose your color. They can change their silly beliefs anytime they want... and they do quite often.
Prejudice is a preconceived judgement formed without knowledge. I have more than enough knowledge and experience with thousands of Morons to make an informed judgement about their group. Furthermore, the groups a person CHOOSES to belong to is a direct reflection on that person. So, by extension, I feel fairly comfortable judging the majority of group members based on their CHOSEN affiliation with a group.
That said, I don't give a flying fuk if anyone believes in magic seer stones, golden plates, or magic underwear, as long as it doesn't taint their perspective too much and they don't try to sell me any of it. My brother is a Mormon, wears the funny undies, got married in the temple, goes to crutch every Sun, does his ward duties, the whole deal... and he is one of the coolest people I know. I love hanging out with him and his brainwashed kids.
When a prominent geochemist was accused of child porn in 2001(?) my reaction was "what a fukhead." I never once questioned the validity of the claims because we happened to share a love of Gibbs free energy.
Experts disagree, widely, whether it was certain that Stowell would strike again.
Exactly. It wasn't "certain" if he would strike again... and he's such a good Moron boy. Same sh#t as Penn State letting Sandusky's summer camps continue, despite being banned from bringing boys onto the main campus.
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Jan 31, 2013 - 08:32pm PT
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You can ALWAYS choose to stop being a Moron, you can NEVER stop being black or Jewish.
True if you're black, untrue if you're Jewish. Untold thousands of them did, throughout history.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Jan 31, 2013 - 09:12pm PT
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You are confusing the religion of Judaism with Jewish ethnicity. A common mistake.
I reserve the right to dis any and all silly Judaic bullshit people choose to believe in. At the same time, I love my gf's latkes and only make fun of her Jew nose when she deserves it. See the difference yet?
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Jan 31, 2013 - 10:26pm PT
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You are confusing the religion of Judaism with Jewish ethnicity. A common mistake.
I reserve the right to dis any and all silly Judaic bullshit people choose to believe in. At the same time, I love my gf's latkes and only make fun of her Jew nose when she deserves it. See the difference yet?
Well I suppose the Mormons in Salt Lake (at least the ones descended from the original Mormon settlers) have a Mormon "ethnicity" that is just as real as Jewish ethnicity.
But I don't know about this "ethnicity" stuff--yeah Hitler believed there was something to it, but we don't have to agree with him. Seems to me that jews (at least of the Ashkenazi variety) are just white people with (sometimes) big noses, unless they (or a Hitler type) choose to make it into something more. Lots of Jews do of course, but lots don't. For them, forcing an "ethnicity" onto them seems to make about as much sense as forcing any other gringo to make some (artificial) connection with whatever particular patch of Europe his ancestors happened to wander around on before they got on the boat.
“Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn’t go away.”
Philip K. Dick
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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you are an idiot
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Lets make it easier for them. Much like the Catholic hierarchy did for the priests.
If their caught buggering children we can just transfer them to the other end of the country, or perhaps to a third world country.
This, plus some other posts, lay out the problem.
Ignorant people who have no training nor expertise, use a "common sense"
approach to dealing with child sexual predators.
The Boy Scouts have done this, the Catholic church, as well.
They take the position that an adult molests a young boy. Obviously, the boys need to be protected from homosexuals.
Only one problem.....
Those who molest boy are NOT homosexuals, they are pedophiles. Different breed of human. In fact, virtually all molesters of boys lead a heterosexual lifestyle.
So, when you wonder why the long program to purge gays has not resulted in less molestation.......they're purging the wrong people.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Those who molest boy are NOT homosexuals, they are pedophiles. Different breed of human. In fact, virtually all molesters of boys lead a heterosexual lifestyle...
... usually with aggressively suppressed homosexual desires/curiosities, otherwise the victimization of little girls by trusted religious officials would be equally prevalent.
The following was conducted at BYU. But as Jennie will vehemently point out, it is NOT part of church doctrine. Besides, it was soo long ago... nothing like that occurs today... that would be horrible publicity.
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/mormon-gay-cures-reparative-therapies-shock-today/story?id=13240700
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Jennie
Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
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Those who molest boy are NOT homosexuals, they are pedophiles. Different breed of human. In fact, virtually all molesters of boys lead a heterosexual lifestyle.
Most child molesters don't really have any adult sexual orientation. They have never developed the capacity for mature sexual relationships with other adults, either men or women. Instead, their sexual attractions focus on children – boys, girls, or children of both sexes.
http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_molestation.html
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Jennie, in case you missed it...
Those who molest boy are NOT homosexuals, they are pedophiles.
Offenders are classified as fixated or regressed. What do you think might lead to those psychological disorders?
BYU honor code: "Homosexual behavior is inappropriate and violates the Honor Code. Homosexual behavior includes not only sexual relations between members of the same sex, but all forms of physical intimacy that give expression to homosexual feelings."
During the 70s, the psychology department at Brigham Young University experimented with electroshock aversion therapy in an attempt to cure homesexuality. Patients who went through BYU's program were shown erotic pictures of people of the same sex. When the counselors monitoring the patient sensed he or she was getting aroused, an electrical shock would be delivered to the patient.
http://suite101.com/article/byu-electroshock-aversion-therapy-a33025
But, hey, yeah, BYU "accepts" people of all sexual orientation... wouldn't want to miss out on that 10% or get any discrimination lawsuits filed against them...
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Jennie, since you live deep within your own little hole of denial regarding the actions of your religious leaders...
Twice a week for six months, he jolted himself with painful shocks to the penis to rid himself of his attraction to men.
"As teens we were taught that homosexuality was second only to murder in the eyes of God," he said.
Oh, right, that isn't "official" LSD doctrine... so it doesn't count... never happened... just turn the other cheek...
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Jennie
Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
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I said nothing about your link, Wes...
But you're quite nebulous about what is church DOCTRINE
Because a Mormon psychologist opts to experiment with behavior modification on volunteers...doesn't validate any of his opinions as church doctrine...
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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A Moron psychologist... at BYU... THE Moron university that has such tight control over their sheeple that they will expel you for having sideburns... opts to SHOCK PARTICIPANTS' PENISES TO PUNISH THEM FOR HOMOSEXUAL AROUSAL... does not make it official church doctrine... it simply makes the Moron leadership and the stupid sheeple who follow ignorant fuknards.
d'Nile
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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I thought the guy was shocking only his own penis
and it was not church doctrine
hard to believe the Mormon church would advocate penis shocking
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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OMG, you are right. That must mean my 5 friends who were sexual abused by trusted religious leaders were lying. I understand now, the BYU penis shocking was just a phase... they grew out of it... besides, everyone was doing it. Everyone, as in a few other religious fukheads.
The Moron church "advocates" a lot of crazy sh#t that is not official church doctrine for obvious tax exemption and public perception reasons.
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
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Those who molest boy are NOT homosexuals, they are pedophiles.
I thought they were called "priests," not pedophiles.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Wes,
I thought ONE GUY said he shocked his dick to supposedly stop them homo thoughts.
How did this get to more than one guy, who else was doing this?
and when did this ever become any kind of church "doctrine"?
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Jennie
Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
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hard to believe the Mormon church would advocate penis shocking
The LDS church didn't advocate this, Norton. The link I offered might confer a little more clarity to the study and its context in aversion therapy experiments common in that era, and carried out by many research institutions.
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