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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Jan 18, 2011 - 10:15am PT
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drockschick
Trad climber
The Dirty South
Jan 18, 2011 - 06:53am PT
First off, Samantha, it sucks that you got bitten. That's the bottom line. Dog bites can be dangerous and even minor bites can be terrifying. No one likes it and nothing makes it okay. I'm sorry that happened to you. The fact that the dog's owner is your ex-boyfriend must add insult to injury.
My standard answer when asked by anyone if my dog bites is, "Yes. She's a dog. All dogs bite under the right circumstances." Now, that's not to say she will (little GoofballFruitBat is afraid of her own flippin' shadow, fer cryin' out loud), but she IS and will always be a dog, and it's in a dog's nature to bite, ergo...
KUDOS to you, Samantha. I don't know that I could be this big a person after being bitten.
That said, when you post on a public forum, especially when you post about something controversial, it's is very important that you do it in an accurate and responsible manner because the people and dogs you post about are going to now have to deal with the flack from the inaccuracies as well as from the actual events.
Yes, you were bitten, but the other dog in the 'pack' DID NOT come after you. In fact, the reason that the owner did not see you get bitten is that he was belaying and was at the time telling the second dog to get off the rope. I know this, because I was his climber, and I yelled at the dog who bit you. That is also how I know for a fact that the dog is current on vaccinations- I took her and the other TWO dogs to get them two weeks ago.
And that leads me to another inaccuracy in your tale: after the dog bit, you say we didn't restrain her. No, he didn't immediately tie her up. He couldn't. He was belaying me on my very first trad lead. But he did command her to sit and stay which she immediately did, and we tied her up as soon as I got on the ground.
And when you say that he mentioned that she had only ever bitten men you make it sound as though he was being flippant or clueless, which was not the case. He was embarrassed because, being a chivalrous man, it upset him that the dog had bitten a woman.
He was never flippant or 'clueless' in his behavior toward you, and never defensive. He was concerned and apologetic, even the second time you came back for a superfluous diatribe about it.
And according to what you said at the time, the injury was very minor and the issue was the dog's behavior, so you gave him no reason to believe you felt you were due anything more than an apology and an offer to compensate if anything developed.
The dog will be muzzled in the future. It is the right thing to do. We love dogs and want them to be safe and welcome at the crag, and we try to be ethical climbers and dog owners. Again, I hate that it happened to you and do not in any way think it was okay. I am not making an effort to defend a dog bite. You have a right to air your grievance, and your grievance is justified. But same as dog owners, if want to keep your rights you have to maintain your responsibilities- when you post, post accurately. Don't embellish the story.
(the first time I ever wrote this)
BWAHAHAHAHA
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drockschick
Trad climber
The Dirty South
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Jan 18, 2011 - 10:17am PT
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Wow, 426. You really pick out the obscure things that make a situation look bad. No one said it was okay to bite a man. I simply said he was responding based on the innate need of many men to feel protective toward a woman.
And I am sorry if my status as a new climber makes my opinion on dog bites less valid in your eyes. Perhaps I should just know my place.
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426
climber
Buzzard Point, TN
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Jan 18, 2011 - 10:19am PT
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I dunno, situtaion sounds pretty bad, mebbe you should think about "the dog's place...."
---just talking "theoretical safety" here (for all), I don't begrudge your noviciate status
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drockschick
Trad climber
The Dirty South
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Jan 18, 2011 - 10:25am PT
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And at no time did I imply that the situation was okay. All I did was ask that Samantha not make a bad situation worse by embellishing the facts.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Jan 18, 2011 - 10:29am PT
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Yeah , I don't begrudge novice status either, but how come YOU are chiming in instead of him?
(Though I gotta admit that when you said
was belaying me on my very first trad lead. I was tempted to suggest that the tension must've been palpable!)
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426
climber
Buzzard Point, TN
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Jan 18, 2011 - 10:35am PT
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Again, "theoretically", it seems that you are "asking" the climbing community to tolerate an aggressive "bitey" dog unleashed @ a pretty popular crag while yall are up on lead with gear. Seems a bit risky for all around...ymmv
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drockschick
Trad climber
The Dirty South
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Jan 18, 2011 - 10:38am PT
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Jeez people. Somehow methinks you just want to fight. I'm chiming in because someone needs to set the record straight. You people act like I am defending something indefensible, and if you actually read what I wrote you would see that isn't the case.
It sucks that she got bitten. That doesn't make it okay for her to make out like we handled the situation callously or that we tried to assert that the bite was acceptable. He did all he could to make a bad situation better, he didn't say it wasn't a bad situation.
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426
climber
Buzzard Point, TN
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Jan 18, 2011 - 10:43am PT
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Wow, 426. You really pick out the obscure things that make a situation look bad
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He did all he could to make a bad situation better, he didn't say it wasn't a bad situation.
Not here to scrap, just suggesting some "safety" considerations, not only for you, but others (and fido, too!!!)...
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Gary
climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Jan 18, 2011 - 11:03am PT
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bb, you should report that incident and the dog should be quarantined to check for rabies. That's serious stuff.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Jan 18, 2011 - 11:55am PT
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While you're handing out advice how about not going climbing near your ex?
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drockschick
Trad climber
The Dirty South
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Jan 18, 2011 - 12:11pm PT
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Piton Ron I just gotta tell ya that whether you post in my defense or in opposition I think you are freaking hilarious!!! It would be impossible not to enjoy your posts.
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Jan 18, 2011 - 12:49pm PT
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1. Non-barking, well behaved dog on leash with a group of people single pitch cragging, where dogs are legally allowed = NO PROBLEM. Dogs love this. This is what dogs are MEANT for. If you have a problem with this it's YOUR problem.
2. Barking dog on a leash = a-hole owner. Does not belong there.
3. On leash dog while owners leave it to do a multi-pitch. Usually breaking the law. Your dog does not enjoy this. Some a-hole may overreact and hurt it. Almost always does not belong there.
4. Off leash dog left alone. Often dog is whimpering or aggressive. Owner never sees dog in this situation and thinks "he just lies there peacefully.". Almost always does not belong there.
5. Off leash dog left alone bites or gets into someones pack. Don't be surprised if your dog is hurt or gone when you come back to it. Does not belong there.
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corniss chopper
climber
not my real name
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Jan 18, 2011 - 12:55pm PT
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Taking the viewpoint of 'survival of the fittest': a human with a club is superior to a dog. Without -inferior. Choosing to be unarmed with even this most simple of weapons is a sign you are an aspiring Darwin Award winner.
We evolved thumbs for a reason.
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ontheedgeandscaredtodeath
Trad climber
San Francisco, Ca
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Jan 18, 2011 - 01:09pm PT
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Yesterday I posted on this thread and then went climbing. Some guys left a dog tied up at the base and then vanished for an hour. Dog was whining and crying the entire time.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Jan 18, 2011 - 01:46pm PT
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Well I'm not a dog hater.
I used to have a great dog. 48 pounds and he would carry half his weight in his pack as far as I could carry a quarter of mine.
He understood rockfall and would patiently wait off to the side while I climbed.
He was a great friend, but if I hadn't trained him as well and he misbehaved then I understand the flip side of the coin.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Jan 18, 2011 - 01:51pm PT
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If you're giving baths to wolves, RJ would like to know about it.
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Ricardo Cabeza
climber
All Over.
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Jan 18, 2011 - 01:55pm PT
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Man bites dog. Hardcore to the bone.
Not hardcore, but that's one of the main ways I established myself as alpha with both my dogs. They did something bad, they were instantly on their backs with my teeth shaking them by the neck, all the while growling. They've got to learn who's boss and that's a very instinctive way for them to figure it out.
I never hurt them, but it scared the crap out of 'em and put 'em in their place.
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Ricardo Cabeza
climber
All Over.
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Jan 18, 2011 - 01:59pm PT
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A boot to the ribs will do the trick too, and no fur balls in the teeth!
That works too.
Watch a nature show about wolves and see how the packs govern themselves though.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Jan 18, 2011 - 02:06pm PT
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I thought it wasn't her dog.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Jan 18, 2011 - 02:08pm PT
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Although the most important detail we don't have from blackbird is,...
WHO DUMPED WHO!
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