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Mighty Hiker
Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Jul 17, 2009 - 07:16pm PT
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At any one time, 4 - 5% of the US public believes in one or more elaborate conspiracy theories. Why do all them have to come to this thread? Can't they just apply Occam's razor to their crackpot ideas, or themselves? It gets very tiresome.
Why don't you conspiracy loonies start a separate thread about your ideas, and leave this one for those who'd like to remember one of humankind's great achievements?
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Mighty Hiker
Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Jul 17, 2009 - 07:19pm PT
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This is from Apollo 8.
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mojede
Trad climber
Butte, America
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Jul 17, 2009 - 07:22pm PT
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MH, sorry for the drift--but, if it was such a great achievement of mankind, why didn't the NASA archives save the original when they needed tape for other uses? It was erased with thousands of others for the needed data tape. No conspiracy allegations, just facts.
Seems that something SO important would have more relevance to them...
...or, was it just relevant to the public, and NASA couldn't care less?
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JuanDeFuca
Big Wall climber
Stoney Point
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Jul 17, 2009 - 07:28pm PT
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supercritical helium
is this the same a liquid helium?
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 17, 2009 - 09:02pm PT
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Boy a thread can denigrate down to something fierce in no time.
I'm bringing it back up to standards.
WB et al.,
Here you go. Tell me what you don't get? We were there (40 years ago on Monday 7/20), and we are also heading back soon to return (methinks that is a good thing):
Apollo 11
Apollo 14
Quicktime movie on why these images are proof:
http://www.nasa.gov/mov/369229main_apollo_sites_halfres.mov
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WBraun
climber
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Jul 17, 2009 - 09:36pm PT
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Sorry they didn't go to the moon.
Your photo is a ugly looking planet. Who'd wanna go there and they proved it by never going back. only bringing some dust and rock after spending all your money.
The moon is a beautiful planet with beautiful people on it.
Hahaha look how people get worked over by what I say. What I say doesn't mean sh'it. 90% of the people in the world actually believe they went to the moon. So be happy.
And ... nobody said anything about a conspiracy. Just said they didn't go to the moon planet. Maybe Rahu.
Somebody else is projecting and flipping out over nothing as usual .....
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Jul 17, 2009 - 10:11pm PT
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I put way more faith in the views of Werner than than 'facts' of Mythbuster™,
But,
I have absolute Faith that if Werner and I flew our rocketship (assuming we had one) to "that great Pizza Pie, in the sky", that we see up there many nights a month, And, had accurate coordinates, we could take a picture of the bottom half of that L.E.M. that Walter Cronkite showed me on TeeVee on my brother's 19th birthday. Maybe not, the MTV flag(?)
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Scared Silly
Trad climber
UT
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Jul 17, 2009 - 10:52pm PT
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True myth ... Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin did not put the first flag on the moon.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Jul 17, 2009 - 11:20pm PT
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It was a sad day when I saw Saturn maneuvering engines in a war surplus store in Garden Grove, right next to a couple of Wright four row radials out of a B29. They both probably ended up sold to China for scrap metal.
I wouldn't go so far as to say that all of those that know how to produce the magic are dead and gone, but it sure is true that we threw away the educational system that produced them and replaced it with watered down pap.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Jul 17, 2009 - 11:38pm PT
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I'm a moon child. I'm already crazy...
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Jul 18, 2009 - 12:02am PT
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Just to clarify Werner, the Big White Rock on the night sky that appears to wax and wane and shine on El Cap at night...Is that Rahu or Chandraloka or something else?
Peace
Karl
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 18, 2009 - 05:50pm PT
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Just in case any of you ever work for NASA or might get an internship there at Houston Space Command or other NASA partners and locations where they store, study, and sample Moon rocks, Moon meteorites, and/or Mars meteorites, don't try to steal them, and don't try to steal the safe where they are stored. This is bad karma, it is against the 10 Commandments, and you will get fined BIG time, and go to the BIG HOUSE (prison).
I know, I know, the temptation to take Moon rocks valued approximately $50,800/g, and Mars meteorites valued about $12,700/g (these fair market values were determined in a court of law for NASA), can pay a lot of bills and feed the family for a long, long time, but you must resist.
Very interesting reading. They should make a movie out of this story:
Full Coverage: NASA astromaterials heist
http://www.collectspace.com/news/news-072202a.html
http://www.mail-archive.com/meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com/msg08867.html
http://www.mail-archive.com/meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com/msg13766.html
Trade growing in stolen meteorites
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/1324361.stm
Now, doing science and making discoveries, well that isn't a crime :-))
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 20, 2009 - 08:58am PT
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Dan.12:4,9 (KJV)
“[4] But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.
[9] And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.”
In honor of man’s first landing and walk on the Moon 40 years ago today, from July 20th 1969 to July 20th 2009: here is a Bible Code hidden 3000 years ago centered around the following passage in the book of Genesis where God tells Abraham . . .
Gen.15:5 (KJV)
“[5] And he brought him forth abroad, and said, Look now toward heaven, and tell the stars, if thou be able to number them: and he said unto him, So shall thy seed be.”
In Michael Drosnin’s book, The Bible Code, pg.33, he states . . .
‘But Man’s triumphs, like the Moon landing, are also encoded. “Man on Moon” appears with “spaceship” and “Apollo 11.” Even the date Neil Armstrong first stepped on the lunar surface, July 20, 1969, is in the Bible.
Armstrong’s words, “One small step for a man, one giant leap for mankind,” are echoed by the hidden text of the Bible. Where the date he set foot on the Moon is encoded, the words that cross “Moon” in the Bible are, “Done by mankind, done by a man.”
It is all encoded in Genesis with “Apollo 11,” at the point where God tells Abraham, “Look now toward Heaven, and count the stars, if thou be able to number them.”’
Here is the Bible Code indicating Gene Shoemaker and Levy’s Comet discovery, and then we watched as it slammed into Jupiter. We now know that massive comet and asteroid impacts can happen contemporarily and we have been looking for NEOs ever since. Also Gene was all ready to be the first Geologist on the Moon. That was his ultimate dream. He helped train the NASA Apollo astronauts to be extraterrestrial geologists. Medical issues unfortunately kept him from going. Now Gene’s ashes (sadly he died in a car accident) are scattered across the Moon surface, the only human to be honored and laid to rest on another planetary body (that we are publically aware of).
Here is a bonus, the Bible Code for Newton and Einstein. We couldn’t have gotten to the Moon without Newton’s 3 law’s of Motion and his law of Universal Gravity, and a better understanding even still by Einstein:
It is worth repeating one more time . . .
Here is a passage from Drosnin's book in his own words pg.50-51:
'Does it prove there is a God?
For Eli Rips, the answer is yes. "The Bible code is firm scientific proof," the mathematician states. But Rips believed in god before he found the evidence.
Many others will also say that we now have the first secular evidence of His existence. I am persuaded only that no human could have encoded the Bible in this way.
We do have the first scientific proof that some intelligence outside our own does exist, or at least did exist at the time the Bible was written.
I do not know if it is God. I only know that no human being could have encoded the Bible 3000 years ago, and accurately foretold the future.
If the Rabin assassination, the Gulf War, and the collision of a comet with Jupiter are all encoded, and they clearly are, then some intelligence very different from our own did it.
The Bible code demands that we accept what the bible can only ask us to believe --- that we are not alone.
But the code does not exist simply to announce the existence of the encoder. The Bible was encoded to sound a warning.'
To me it is proof of God’s omnipresence, omniscience, and omnipotence, and God honoring and celebrating man’s achievements at the same time. I think God is proud of our best achievements. It must make him proud when we do good and amazing things. I’m sure of it. It honors him as well. The Creator loves the goodness of his creation. Sometimes we do have it in us. Sometimes.
Also we can’t go it alone. God makes it rain on the just and the unjust. Whether we acknowledge him or not he takes care of us. Think about that. He also inspires. These scientific truths are not of our own. We didn’t figure out what we know separate from God. I believe he chooses according to his will whom he inspires throughout history. No one people or country knows it all. Scientific truths have been sprinkled throughout civilization. He gets through to us in spite of our stubbornness and rebelliousness or whether we acknowledge him or not. God is awesome.
Here is, to making it to the Moon 40 years ago! I would like to see us do the same for Mars. Doing science and exploring sure beats lobbing bombs and killing one another, and at the same time all mankind benefits.
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hb81
climber
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Jul 20, 2009 - 09:15am PT
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To anyone interested in the Apollo program I can really recommend this movie:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0925248/
Beautiful images and music and loads of interesting tales from the men who went there. (or didn't if thats your belief...)
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Reilly
Mountain climber
Monrovia, CA
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Jul 20, 2009 - 10:35am PT
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The reason we need to go to Mars is the same one uses to move to a new crack-house: the old one is messed up.
While I am awed by the manned space program it is a huge waste of money for the most part. The only space program of any major relevance has been the Hubble Telescope. We've gotten far more science out of that per dollar than the whole rest of the space program combined. I do hope the new Webb Telescope goes as planned. http://www.jwst.nasa.gov/
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