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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 27, 2009 - 07:49pm PT
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Yeah, thanks Fattrad.
He really hasn't climbed since the mid-1970s. Even though he is five years older and introduced me to climbing on Mt Diablo, I was the one that took to it, and I use to lead him up 5.7-5.9 climbs in the Valley.
navblk4, WTF?
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MikeL
climber
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Apr 27, 2009 - 09:44pm PT
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ditto. WTF?
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Apr 27, 2009 - 09:49pm PT
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hey there patrick... more prayers and wishes for good will and good cheer to come your brothers way... he sure has had a very sad hard road, from all this...
sure hope there is someone nearby to lift his spirits each day... just a smile, or something... whatever is allowed, there, where he is...
once again, god bless...
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Social climber
valley center, ca
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Apr 28, 2009 - 12:07am PT
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Still Praying Patrick.....will write more later, but your brother, you and family remain in my heart and thoughts. Lynne
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MikeL
climber
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Apr 28, 2009 - 12:48pm PT
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Your writing seems sterile, navblk4.
As for the value and pervasiveness of "inter-disciplinary study" going on, I refer you to this opinion.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/27/opinion/27taylor.html?_r=1&em
Many of us argue there ain't much real inter-disciplinary study, experience, or expertise going around--doctors and Ph.D.s notwithstanding. It seems that the higher the level of education one has, the less one really understands about the broader context in which the world and we reside. (I ought have an insight: I are a Ph.D. and academic.)
At the end of the day, so-called intelligence or knowledge from books don't measure up to what comes from closely observed everyday experiences, deep and abiding happiness, and love and compassion for other beings. These are things that don't show up in law books, rules, or treatises. (However, I do think they can be found in the writings by great jurists--e.g., Learned Hand, HLA Hart--who orient law to those very things.) These are the very issues that arise from this current dialogue, I believe.
Be well.
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Brian Hench
Trad climber
Laguna Beach, CA
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Apr 28, 2009 - 02:43pm PT
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I am not a believer, but whenever I have a loved one in distress, who is a believer, I will tell them that I will pray for them. It gives them strength to know that someone is pulling for them.
When the chips are down for your friends and loved ones, it is not a time to stand on principles. You do what you can for them in the context of THEIR belief system not yours.
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Jan
Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
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Apr 28, 2009 - 11:31pm PT
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You might try what they do in Asia. Find a quiet shelf top some feet off the floor and place a photo or several of your brother there. Put some flowers there, light a candle, burn some incense. Those who want to pray can pray, those who want to just send him good wishes can do that, or you can wave, bow, blow a kiss, whatever every time you pass by. It may sound naive and primitive, but having a physical place to remember him and from which to launch good wishes really helps. You might even take a photo of it and send it to him. He's sure to be moved by the effort.
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wildone
climber
GHOST TOWN
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Apr 29, 2009 - 01:15am PT
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Atheist.
In times of distress i turn to...
...wait for it...
...myself.
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TYeary
climber
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Apr 29, 2009 - 01:35am PT
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Sorry to hear this Patrick.
I will be thinking of your family and brother.
People do what they can, in times like this.
I don't have any answers. I'm not even sure what questions, if any, are to be asked. I don't know who turns the wheel.
I do beleive that it is, indeed, turning. With and without me.
You're either on the bus, or off the bus. If you are on the bus, you do what you can.
Peace,
Tony
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