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Rock!...oopsie.
Trad climber
pitch above you
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Jul 20, 2009 - 06:33pm PT
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Looks like a copy right down to the color sequence based on the couple pics available.
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the Fet
Supercaliyosemistic climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Jul 20, 2009 - 06:34pm PT
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Look out BD!
Bonus points to DMM for posting links to the taco and bigwall.net.
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Mungeclimber
Trad climber
sorry, just posting out loud.
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Jul 20, 2009 - 06:35pm PT
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dual axles patent run out already?
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couchmaster
climber
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Jul 20, 2009 - 06:46pm PT
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The DMMS will be made in Britan and the Camalots will be made in China. As in Britan they pay more than ..50cents an hour, I wonder what the pricing differential will be? Needless to say, DMM will sell the Dragons esily to folks who buy high end gear, but Camalots will be so much more inexpensive that the market will still be there for them.
Nice to have choices eh?!!!
Dmm Dragon in prototyping stage
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Jul 20, 2009 - 06:49pm PT
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So slob, you work in a store, have you tried them? had your hands on them? What do You think?
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Jul 20, 2009 - 06:49pm PT
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Yeah I love my Camalots but if I have to replace any I'll pay more to get a product not made in China.
When did they start making Camalots in Chiner? I bought most of mine several years ago.
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Haggis
Trad climber
Scotland
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Jul 20, 2009 - 06:56pm PT
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cant speek for the US but C4's are siginfigantly more than other high end units in the UK.
DMM are smart, I reckon they will peg them below C4's and they will walk as a result.
I also think that there biners and wires are superior to BD.
Its gonna be interesting to hold one
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Jul 20, 2009 - 06:58pm PT
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"cant speek for the US but C4's are siginfigantly more than other high end units in the UK."
you mean Wild country? are there others?
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Haggis
Trad climber
Scotland
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Jul 20, 2009 - 07:05pm PT
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we have Metolius, OP and CCH units too.
also from a fast and light point of view 1 link cam is lighter and cheaper than 3 C4's or 4 WC/DMM.
Edit
i read that the Cam angle on the new DMM units was remaining at 13.75 meaning that they cannot be the same as C4's who use a slightly larger angle (or so i have been told ... BD will not tell me what it is)
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Studly
Trad climber
WA
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Jul 20, 2009 - 07:06pm PT
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I'll let you guys test them out, and when you got a few screamers in on them, let me know how it sorts out. Cheers mate!
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caughtinside
Social climber
Davis, CA
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Jul 20, 2009 - 07:18pm PT
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I'll buy made in Wales cams over made in China stuff any day!
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Darren D.
Social climber
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Jul 21, 2009 - 01:49am PT
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I'm a little bit baffled by all the anti-Chinese sentiment I hear all over the place. Not just here, but everywhere. Myself included.
At first I thought it was because people wanted support American companies and have their $$ benefit our economy. But this can't be as consumers are gladly willing to buy from other companies that are not American based,i.e. DMM.
Do most consumers consider Chinese manufacturing to be inferior to American products? Do climbers think that if Chinese manufactures produce cheap kids toys then that most mean they make cheap climbing gear too? Hasn't an American company had the most glaring example of poor quality control, i.e. CCH?
Are Americans threatened by China as a superpower? Are they turned off by human rights violations? (Tibet). Do climbers not want their gear made in sweat shops?
Or is this a similar situation to when we used to believe that all Japanese products were garbage?
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Domingo
Trad climber
El Portal, CA
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Jul 21, 2009 - 01:58am PT
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Human rights and environmental controls, for me.
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Tom
Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
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Jul 21, 2009 - 01:58am PT
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The dual-axle patent expired in Feb, 2004.
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S.Powers
Social climber
Jtree, now in Alaska
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Jul 21, 2009 - 02:25am PT
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The first cam i bought was a DMM i am stoked they are making a cam that can compete with BD I will buy it!!!
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steelmnkey
climber
Vision man...ya gotta have vision...
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Jul 21, 2009 - 09:18am PT
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"also from a fast and light point of view 1 link cam is lighter and cheaper than 3 C4's or 4 WC/DMM."
Doesn't make much difference unless you're only planning to place one piece of gear. You trade three (or four) placements for one and call it even? What's wrong with that picture?
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Haggis
Trad climber
Scotland
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Jul 21, 2009 - 09:29am PT
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My alpine fast/light/easy rack is 2 screws, 3 pins 7 wires 2 cams and 2 hexs. 6 quick draws 5 slings and few spare biners.
or that could be 5-6 cams in the same range....
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Jul 21, 2009 - 11:20am PT
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Do most consumers consider Chinese manufacturing to be inferior to American products?
Yep, that's it. Ever use a Chinese tool or piece of hardware?
They're crap!
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