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WBraun
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Jul 30, 2005 - 07:14pm PT
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I remember Bev Johnson always packed the heat too. She had one in her fanny pack ..... looked just like this one.
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Ouch!
climber
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Jul 30, 2005 - 07:37pm PT
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Nah! Sport gun. Here's a Hardman Trad Gun.
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Wrathchild
climber
right behind you
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Jul 30, 2005 - 07:58pm PT
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Sig Sauer P220 .45ACP
If you like that little cap gun, the Walther, check out the baretta tomcat .32
9mm's are for punks
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capndick4
Boulder climber
A place beyond reasoning
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Jul 30, 2005 - 09:40pm PT
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Jaun, go with either a 1911 (or clone) in .45 acp or try a Glock in .40 acp. The Glock is lighter and more 'outdoors' resistant and has a higher carring capacity if you dont mind breaking some Cali laws. Special forces still use the 1911, and you can usually find a used one for relatively cheap.
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Shack
Trad climber
So. Cal.
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Jul 30, 2005 - 10:58pm PT
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Good advice capndick...except I think you meant .40S&W
not acp.
I carry the Israeli Arms Inc. Baby Eagle in 9mm or
if I'm fishing I take a S&W Sigma .40 in stainless...
both hold 15 rounds.
I like the stainless for outdoor activities..
(My friend actually slipped off a log last year and went in
the drink, over his head with his Glock in his vest)
Recomendations:
Springfield XD in any cal.
Kimber Pro Carry in .45 (best .45's for the $)
Note to Californians: It is legal to carry while fishing!
As long as you are "actively" fishing or on your way to or from your campsite!
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Licky
Social climber
California
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Jul 30, 2005 - 11:15pm PT
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Sorry to chime in on this, but this is a subject that I love to talk about. I'll not speak to the ethics of guns, weapons, concealment, or how to shoot. Only about my experiences of over 35 years of carrying a gun in both an urban and a wilderness environment.
Don't be swayed into this conversation about big guns and magnums. Since the old adage of, "You better be ready to shoot/kill if you draw a gun" still applies, better to get something that you can consistently hit with, and I don't mean when you throw it, although that's been known to happen.
First off, buy what fits your hand. I have a huge hand and little guns like the Walter, even though its a great pistol tend to aim high when I squeeze them. I have a couple of derringers and unless you stick the barrel where you intend to hit, they are pretty much useless. They will change the mind of the assailant, but usually after you've shot one of the two rounds.
Second, how are you going to carry it? On your hip or in a shoulder rig is a little different that just dropping it in your jacket pocket. Or, in your little hammock under your seat in the car?
If you are going to be carrying in the wilderness and you can spend the money, there are a few very high quality semi-autos that can be carried. They have to be maintained more than a revolver, but if you are careful, you'll have a good friend. If you think you are going to be falling in a creek or getting it covered with dirt, go for a revolver as they are more reliable.
And finally, budget. Since a Walter is a very good gun, you'll not find it cheap unless you buy a used one. Shop around. And when you realize a .50 cal round costs $2 apiece, you'll start looking at a little more modest cartridge.
I once saw a five shot revolver that was chambered for .45-70 rounds. I thought it odd because that is a hell of a round. When I asked the dealer about it, he said that .45-70 is the same as a 410 shotgun round. It was intended as a snake gun to be carried on your hip rather than drag a scatter-gun into the brush with you. Never did find that gun again.
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Shack
Trad climber
So. Cal.
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Jul 30, 2005 - 11:56pm PT
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"better to get something that you can consistently hit with"
Word.
That's why the Baby Eagle is my urban choice.
Polygonal rifleing, proven in the sands of the Middle East,
and dead nuts accurate.
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10b4me
Trad climber
On that V2 problem at the Happies
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Jul 31, 2005 - 12:43am PT
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Juan, quit bouldering at Stoney Point.
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Watusi
Social climber
Joshua Tree, CA
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Jul 31, 2005 - 01:02am PT
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My man said it best with "Make my day...punk!"
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JuanDeFuca
Big Wall climber
Chatsworth
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 31, 2005 - 01:07am PT
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I am looking for a small gun that fits in a fanny pack, pants, pocket, ankle holster. The .22 I suggested, seems like a good small size. If I have to use it it probally would be on someone close, a few feet. How accurate does one have to be?
Think small. Is my selection a good one?
Juan
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Shack
Trad climber
So. Cal.
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Jul 31, 2005 - 01:22am PT
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Seriously?...
for the sub compact, get the Kel-Tec P-11.
a .22 is not for personal defense.
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hhhhhhhhh
climber
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Jul 31, 2005 - 03:12am PT
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Juan,
The picture you posted is the PPK model, but the link you have is the TPH model.
I assume your talking about the TPH model, which is their smallest and it is a fine gun.
Personally I prefer the Smith & Wesson .380 Auto, since 22's can bounce off stuff.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Jul 31, 2005 - 06:10am PT
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Actually the Israelis still sometimes use .22LR for CQB on the theory that accuracy (and sometimes concealability) is more important than calibre.
Isn't it at Front Sight that they say,"Any gun will do if YOU will do."
That having been said I certainly have my preferences.
The 1911 is the finest combat pistol. A full century after its invention it is still the choice of professional warriors. The stopping power of the .45 is legend. My favorite is the Les Baer, but if two grand is a bit pricey the Kimber CDPs come close. In fact for concealability the Compact CDP is the TICKET.
However if you want a double stack (hi cap) that still fits well in a medium to small hand then Shack's choice, the Baby Eagle, ain't bad at all. Brick shithouse construction (which however makes it a tad heavy), internalized rails, and it even takes CZ clips. I like the compact and the full size, but Shack, you got one with a Beretta type safety that's the wrong way round.
The older ones with the frame mounted safety are the way to go.
Licky, the five shot you mentioned is the Thunder Five.
I actually call it a "six shot" gun because there is less than a half inch of travel on the ejector. One is supposed to fish out the empties by hand after pushing them from flush. It takes so long to reload that I recommend just throwing the gun (shot #6). In the film Three Kings (a ripoff of Kelly's Heroes) supposedly a soldier is carrying one of these in Iraq.
Yeah, RIGHT!
Locker, the Bulldog is alloy and .44mag is TOO powerful for self defense unless you are facing a bear. The .44 special is a much better choice. Mine is like a J frame on steroids. Still quite concealable too.
Someone said a S&W .380. Huh? Model #?
When it comes to mouse guns the best is the Seecamp, but it cost 3X what the Kel-tec does. (Got that Juan?)
Hey M Moron, if you actually carry (or even bought) that fifty I'd like to interest you in a bridge that's for sale.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Jul 31, 2005 - 10:31am PT
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Practice is right!
A friend I shoot with reloads. The 45ACP runs him $0.11 and then he scurries around picking up brass. I buy Blazer in bulk at $0.15 a round and save time and effort.
Also I've discovered a phenomenon of matter conversion. Shoot a fifty round box of .45 and the most brass you can find is 49.
Oh, and the expression isn't "gun toting liberals" its "libertarian".
But where exactly is the bouldering so good that its worth a turf war.
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mark miller
Social climber
Reno
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Jul 31, 2005 - 10:54am PT
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I can't say enough about my Baretta .22LR.
Compact lightweight and absurdly accurate, beautiful piece, and cheap to practice with.
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Michael Moron
Social climber
Davison, MI
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Jul 31, 2005 - 11:32am PT
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"If you like that little cap gun, the Walther, check out the baretta tomcat .32
9mm's are for punks"
Get a .32, 9mm's are for punks? Huh?
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