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Tom
Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
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Topic Author's Original Post - Jan 20, 2009 - 11:00pm PT
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Cheney and Co. are absolutely shameless.
This time, he's faking injury to elicit sympathy, and to get people to forget all the pain and mental anguish he's inflicted on others.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Jan 20, 2009 - 11:02pm PT
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It does appear that way doesn't it?
Isn't this a time to get together and get along though?
A time for change...or?
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Captain...or Skully
Social climber
North of the Owyhees
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Jan 20, 2009 - 11:03pm PT
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I'd still kick 'em in the jewels.
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adam d
climber
CA
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Jan 20, 2009 - 11:12pm PT
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It certainly is a time for unity, but that doesn't mean crimes should go unpunished. It's also time with a new admin to have impartial investigations into potential war crimes, the Valerie Plame intelligence debacle and much more. If there's enough evidence that can be brought to a trial..."have a nice retirement Dick"
'bout the back injury...said it before but I'll say it again...
looks like the door hit him in the ass
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Jaybro
Social climber
wuz real!
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Jan 20, 2009 - 11:17pm PT
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I heard he's roomies with Ted K.
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
New York, NY
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Jan 20, 2009 - 11:27pm PT
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It occurred to me this afternoon how symbolic the W/Chair is.... The plug's been pulled, the bomb's been defused, he's been "disabled"....
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Jan 20, 2009 - 11:40pm PT
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"I heard he's roomies with Ted K. "
Now that's funny....
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Captain...or Skully
Social climber
North of the Owyhees
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Jan 20, 2009 - 11:42pm PT
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I'd stick my marlinspike in his eye....No, the Evil one, yeah, that's it.
Arrrggh.
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apogee
climber
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Jan 20, 2009 - 11:47pm PT
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There's something fishy about this Cheney injury- call me a conspiracy theorist (it's been done before), but the idea of him rolling around in a wheelchair feigning a 'box moving injury' just doesn't sit right.
Come on, fellow conspiracy theorists (i.e. Lafta)...what is the truth about this ruse?
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Tom
Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 20, 2009 - 11:53pm PT
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The claim is that he pulled a muscle in his back.
That sort of soft-tissue injury is notoriously impossible to prove or disprove, and is the #1 candidate for workman's comp insurance fraud.
If he did hurt his back lifting boxes, that can hurt like hell, and a wheelchair can be the only option. I don't wish ill health on him, but the whole concept of karma is based on the idea that the mind, body and soul are a self-regulating system, providing reward and punishment as warranted by one's actions.
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DGirly
climber
EDH, CA
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Jan 21, 2009 - 01:21am PT
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Might Hiker-
Good point...
He was probably moving a box of documents (Haliburton, etc) for shredding and that no one is allowed to touch!
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Mighty Hiker
Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Jan 21, 2009 - 01:24am PT
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No doubt the shredders and deleters and over-writing have been going full steam for months. But Cheney and Bush, and their henchmen, aren't fools. They learned the Nixon lesson - make sure there are no records. No smoking gun means it's always your word against someone else's when the crunch comes. Much easier to defend.
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WBraun
climber
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Jan 21, 2009 - 01:25am PT
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You can't defend lies.
They are toast.
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apogee
climber
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Jan 21, 2009 - 01:30am PT
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"You can't defend lies.
They are toast."
Oh, that such a dream would become reality. There seems to be very little political movement to go after these criminals, much to my chagrin. Dreams should never die, though, so I will continue to keep my fingers crossed.
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WBraun
climber
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Jan 21, 2009 - 01:38am PT
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It's not a dream, that is reality.
I'm not joking. You can't get with anything. It's impossible.
It will catch up to you either in this life or the next.
Winston Churchill came back as dog in his next life ....
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Tom
Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 21, 2009 - 01:42am PT
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Winston Churchill came back as dog in his next life ....
Well, Cheney must have been a real monster in his past life because in this life, he showed up as a vile, rabid cur, able to stand up and walk on his hind legs.
Nixon was a great president (opening relations with China comes to mind . . .), whose modus de disaster was to lie about the Watergate issue. Like Clinton, it wasn't the action that was so abhorrent, but the lie to cover it up. Even Martha Stewart was mostly in the clear, but she lied, and was put to the dungeon for lying to investigators.
But, the trolls (orcs?) who gained power/position under Nixon and became the Bush Administration's Winter of our Discontent seem to be villians of the worst sort. History will show that, for example their disregard of the 800-year old Magna Carta as a main point of civilization, they were out of control.
The collective breath of relief is that they're now, finally, gone.
Or are they??????
Can Leon Panetta reign in the CIA?
Are the multiple contractors, operating under secret War on Terror directives, going to now behave themselves?
I fear for my future, even more than I loathe my past.
Dr. Johnson
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Tom
Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 21, 2009 - 02:15am PT
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LEB, please understand that I know Mr. Cheney is old and infirm, but this is a late opportunity to express how much I abhor what he did, in terms of subverting/perverting the Constitution of the United States.
I hope that he, as a person, is well and good and in the best health.
I also hope that he, as a person, has no affect/control over any person's life except his own in the future.
EDIT: Cheney may be able to affect other people, in a good way, in the future, if he denounces Satan as his Dark Lord, and repents his evil acts, finds Christ (or Allah, or whatever name you ascribe to God) and explains to the public, convincingly, that what he did was wrong.
Subverting the Constitution is a crime, and an Affront to the Peace and Dignity of the Peoples of the United States of America.
Borders on treason (UMGH). A man that don't obey rules can't be trusted (UMGH). Society needs rules, and people need to obey them rules (UMGH-HUMGH).
-Sling Blade Karl
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Tom
Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 21, 2009 - 02:49am PT
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There is an excellent possibility that Cheney does not think he did anything wrong
HOW TO WIN FRIENDS AND INFLUENCE PEOPLE by Dale Carnegie had a similar argument, using Al Capone as an example. Capone was seen as a hero to the poor neighborhood people of Chicago, conferring gifts of money and food, gratis, and providing local relief.
Al Capone, an enduring figure in history as il grande persona non grata, saw himself as a benevolent benefactor, and as a source for social good.
My retort is, what is the general consensus, right or wrong, regarding what he was actually up to?
Reality is inherently a democratic process, and if the majority votes one way, or the other, that is what reality is.
Charlie Manson probably thought he was doing a great social service when he invoked the hidden messages he heard, while listening to the Beatles' White Album, and murdered Sharon Tate, Jay Sebring, et al.
To this day, I don't think Manson thinks he did anything wrong. He probably thinks that his Grand Design for a better future was corrupted and derailed by a gang of goons called the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department, conspiring with the California Department of Corrections.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Jan 21, 2009 - 03:21am PT
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Fine Post Tom
Really good
We believe what we want to believe
Almost nobody in intentionally evil
Peace
Karl
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