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Karl Baba
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Yosemite, Ca
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Topic Author's Original Post - Aug 6, 2008 - 09:46pm PT
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Sorry for the politics thread but we live in dangerous times.
from
http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/08/06/10836/
""Published on Wednesday, August 6, 2008 by The Huffington Post
The Forged Iraqi Letter: What Just Happened?
by Ron Suskind
What just happened? Evidence. A secret that has been judiciously kept for five years just spilled out. All of what follows is new, never reported in any way:
The Iraq Intelligence Chief, Tahir Jalil Habbush — a man still carrying with $1 million reward for capture, the Jack of Diamonds in Bush’s famous deck of wanted men — has been America’s secret source on Iraq. Starting in January of 2003, with Blair and Bush watching, his secret reports began to flow to officials on both sides of the Atlantic, saying that there were no WMD and that Hussein was acting so odd because of fear that the Iranians would find out he was a toothless tiger. The U.S. deep-sixed the intelligence report in February, “resettled” Habbush to a safe house in Jordan during the invasion and then paid him $5 million in what could only be considered hush money.
In the fall of 2003, after the world learned there were no WMD — as Habbush had foretold — the White House ordered the CIA to carry out a deception. The mission: create a handwritten letter, dated July, 2001, from Habbush to Saddam saying that Atta trained in Iraq before the attacks and the Saddam was buying yellow cake for Niger with help from a “small team from the al Qaeda organization.”
The mission was carried out, the letter was created, popped up in Baghdad, and roiled the global newcycles in December, 2003 (conning even venerable journalists with Tom Brokaw). The mission is a statutory violation of the charter of CIA, and amendments added in 1991, prohibiting CIA from conduction disinformation campaigns on U.S. soil.
So, here we go again: the administration full attack mode, calling me names, George Tenet is claiming he doesn’t remember any such thing — just like he couldn’t remember “slam dunk” — and reporters are scratching their heads. Everything in the book is on the record. Many sources. And so, we watch and wait….
Pulitzer Prize-winner Ron Suskind is the author of The Way of the World. See http://www.ronsuskind.com"
Peace
Karl
Shouldn't fabricating lie to justify war be a war crime?
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adatesman
Trad climber
philadelphia, pa
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"Shouldn't fabricating lie to justify war be a war crime?"
Well, yes. Especially if its a war of aggression, as the current one (in reality two) are. My suggestion is to call your Senators and Congressmen and support Kucinich's articles of impeachment. I doubt they'll go anywhere, but no harm in trying.
Oh, and as far as I'm concerned you're preaching to the choir.
-a.
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drgonzo
Trad climber
east bay, CA
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WEDNESDAY, AUGUST 06, 2008
Earth to Reporters
Why isn't every major news organization bombarding McCain with questions about this?
I realize that late 2001 was a time period that most journalists would rather forget, but come on; this is potentially a very big deal. Within days of the first anthrax attacks, McCain goes on television and claims that Iraq may be responsible for the attacks and states that Iraq will be the "second phase" of our response to 9/11.
This screams out for follow up questions. What information, if any, did McCain have at the time linking the anthrax attacks to Iraq? Who gave him this information? What did he mean when he said Iraq would be the "second phase" or our response? Did he believe Iraq was somehow responsible for 9/11? Had he already decided that an invasion of Iraq was necessary? Had the Bush administration?
The answers to these questions would not only shed light on McCain's judgment on important issues, but could potentially be relevant to the criminal investigation into the anthrax attacks. As Glenn Greenwald has tirelessly pointed out, there were government officials who were feeding false information to journalists at around this time linking the anthrax attacks to Iraq. And in light of the direction the investigation has taken since then, it's at least possible that one or more of these officials were involved in the attacks themselves. Were these same officials feeding lies to McCain and his staff? Or the White House? How exactly did McCain come to believe that Iraq was responsible?
These are important questions, and I find it utterly incomprehensible that McCain isn't being asked them by every reporter. Are tire gauges and Paris Hilton really more pressing issues?
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MisterE
Social climber
My Inner Nut
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Most people in our culture just want to be safe, maybe that's why...Given the (peceived) possibilty of risk to one's family (from media and Govt) , isn't sensationalism a perfect fit to distraction from larger issues? Whew!
Thanks for keeping up on the reporting, Karl. I agree.
The articles of impeachment are in committee for "review" now, I believe, until way after the term-end?
Best, Erik
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 6, 2008 - 11:57pm PT
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You have to wonder what it would take to get Bush impeached. Is sex the only immoral thing for a president to lie about?
All this at a time when we're having a war crimes trial for a guy because he had a job as a driver for Bin Laden. Seems like there's war crimes and war crimes.
Cooking up lies to kill tens of thousands of people and displace millions must just be "politics"
Peace
karl
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Russ Walling
Social climber
Out on the sand.... man.....
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I laugh robustly.....
{circle_jerk} commence peeing on Bush {/circle_jerk}
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Mighty Hiker
Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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bin Laden's driver, Salim Ahmed Hamdam, was convicted by a U.S. military tribunal today. Convicted of "providing material support to terrorism", but acquitted of the more serious charge of conspiracy.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/07/washington/07gitmo.html?hp
Given the processes used to obtain the 'evidence', and for the trial itself, the judgment seems likely to be appealed.
It is damning that after seven years, the administration has not managed to catch most of the key plotters of the terrorists attacks in 2001. Also that its "judicial" system for those it did catch is in tatters, and that few if any will ultimately be convicted, given the use of torture.
Hitler's driver, Erich Kempka, was not charged with anything after World War II, as the defence pointed out.
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coldstonesoup
Mountain climber
outside the taco stand
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What happened to "battlefield justice?" I read the other day that we brought some bitch back to this country for "shooting" at US military personnel. Granted, she's a Dr., but what the fu#k, even the educated can be fundies.
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MisterE
Social climber
My Inner Nut
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Russ, you are quite enigmatic, I must say.
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Mighty Hiker
Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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So, are you arguing that the end justifies the means? Or at least, the supposed end?
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Arid-zona
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In before Skipt or bluering question some blinding obvious aspect of this issue.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Err..I don't really care. Did I get dragged into this somehow?
Iraq=bad....now?.....Iraq=good
Is that easy enough for ya?
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Russ Walling
Social climber
Out on the sand.... man.....
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uh oh.... LEB just opened the "Gore Won" door......
But seriously, how would I know if my lime tree is feeling distress from heat or lack of water? I seems moist most of the time, but is rather listless and never fruits to fruition. It is a dwarf in a pot. Does pot color have anything to do with vibrancy of the tree? Size? material?
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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This is great, re-read the thread title and re-evaulate where you stand in terms of Iraqi's.
You think they're happier now?
We want Saddam back, the U.S. sucks!!! yeah!!!!
idiots.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 7, 2008 - 02:20am PT
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"It is very possible that Bush takes the view that the country elected him to do a particular job (keep the homeland safe) and he is going about doing that job. "
So attacking a country that wasn't involved in 9-11 at the expense of a trillion dollars and thousands of American lives was to keep us safer? Didn't work that way.
Also, after the world trade attack in 1993 there wasn't another Islamic attack on American soil until Bush took office. What does that prove. They are killing us in Iraq instead!
Lying to start a bogus war that had nothing to do with 911 is a crime and those who justify it should consider what they are really saying.
Peace
Karl
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Standing Strong
Trad climber
sunlight on the surf
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i don't need any more evidence... please let up on the poli threads doodZ!!!
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Yeah, the Iraqi's probably want to hang W, don't they?
Iraqi's prolly hate us now.
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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We aren't safer.
More of the world is pissed at us, which means less of the world will want to help. The war on terrorism is global. We need everyones help to stop it.
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