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TrundleBum
Trad climber
Las Vegas
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Topic Author's Original Post - Jan 24, 2008 - 06:30pm PT
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1st ... (sp) sorry -- TURMERIC
Blinney asking about Vit-D amde me think...
I read a thread here, where many here were ranting about the benefits of tumeric.
My only knowledge of tumeric is having learned about it as a native Hawaiian plant (Olena).
A few nights ago I was talking with my (83) year old dad and he mentioned his arthritis and I told him I had heard tumeric was very good and that I would look into it.
So I am looking into it.
How much do people typically ingest in what timeframe ?
How long do the positive effects last ?
Is there 'diminshing returns' of effectiveness/usage ?
What actual part of the plant is used ? The dried root powder (like Yucca)?
Any suggestions on a good supplier?
Any comments or helpful suggestions ?
(such as 'good to take such+such vitamin supplement with it etc..)
My dad is making a steady shift from being a toxic dumping ground for the AMA and reducing his pharmecuetical meds, either dropping them if he can and/or suplementing thenm with holistic solutions. Anything I can do to help him learn more about being comfortable without feeding the likes of 'Ely Lilly' I will. So...
TY ahead folks.
JR
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scuffy b
climber
Stump with a backrest
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Jan 24, 2008 - 06:47pm PT
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regular dumb old black pepper
Hey, regular old black pepper was one of the big players in the
race to the Orient. Turmeric and cinnamon, too.
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WBraun
climber
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Jan 24, 2008 - 06:49pm PT
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After Blinny (Kathy) above told me about it I immediately went out and got some Turmeric. Natures Way brand.
I figured what the hell why not try it.
And .... it worked!
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Jonny D
Social climber
Lost Angelez, Kalifornia
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Jan 24, 2008 - 06:52pm PT
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as one with chronic injuries, i can attest to the power of turmeric as an anti-inflammatory. i use it in my food as often as possible, great stuff.
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Fletcher
Trad climber
Varied locales along the time and space continuum
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Jan 24, 2008 - 06:57pm PT
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In the world of Ayurveda, it's a pretty positive thing for many people. Apparently women in India carry it around in the purses like other women elsewhere carry lipstick... well, maybe not the women on the taco stand! :-)
Fletch
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scuffy b
climber
Stump with a backrest
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Jan 24, 2008 - 07:13pm PT
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A funny thing about the spice trades and the race to the Orient
is that the "failed" expeditions that found the New World ended
up with (eventually) some pretty heavy hitters.
Vanilla, cacao, potatoes, chiles, tobacco...
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Levy
Big Wall climber
So Cal
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Jan 24, 2008 - 07:14pm PT
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In addition to Turmeric, I highly reccommend Oil of Oregano. It is an antibiotic, anti mucosal, anti-bacterial & anti-fungal homeopathic remedy.
If you Google it you will find lots of references to it & recent research suggests it is an anti-inflammitory too.
I use it 3 to 5 times per week, taken orally. 5 drops on the tongue, it tastes strong but works wonders!
Levy
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salad
climber
San Diego
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Jan 24, 2008 - 07:18pm PT
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I take a product called Tissue Rejuvenator from Hammer Nutrition. Its reaaally helped out with joint and muscle injuries from running.
It contains:
Glucosamine sulfate is classified as an amino sugar, a type of carbohydrate used for structural tissues instead of as an energy source. It is the basic building block/raw material in joint cartilage, ligaments, and tendons. Glucosamine sulfate plays a major role in the synthesis of collagen, cartilage, bone, skin, and various lubricating fluids in joints. Glucosamine sulfate helps promote elasticity of joint movement and also functions as a mild anti-inflammatory.
Chondroitin sulfate is a natural component of several tissues in the body. Like glucosamine, chondroitin sulfate is one of the important building blocks for the repair of damaged cartilage. One of chondroitin sulfate's important functions is its ability to block the activity of enzymes that break down cartilage. This helps reduce inflammation and protects cartilage from further damage. Chondroitin sulfate also promotes lubrication and cushioning in the joints.
Methylsulfonylmethane, better known as MSM, is a metabolite of dimethylsulfoxide (DMSO), a well-known solvent, which has been used topically as an analgesic and anti-inflammatory. MSM is an organic form of sulfur, which is necessary for proper synthesis and maintenance of tissues such as skin, hair, nails, tendons and cartilage. MSM has been reported to reduce arthritic joint pain, enhance wound healing, and reduce allergic symptoms.
Tissue Rejuvenator's Enzyme Blend of peptidase, bromelain, papain, amylase, lipase, cellulase, and phytase not only aids in the complete absorption of the nutrient components in the product, it provides its own potent anti-inflammatory benefits.
Boswellia serrata is an Ayurvedic herb that has been extensively as an anti-inflammatory for the treatment of arthritis. Its primary active ingredients are triterpene acids, which may also be useful for treating exercise-induced asthma and irritable bowel syndrome.
Devil's Claw is a South African herb containing substances called iridoid glycosides that have anti-inflammatory properties. It is also purported to help relieve mild stomach upset.
Yucca Root is frequently used to combat osteoarthritis and rheumatoid arthritis symptoms. It contains high levels of beneficial phytochemical compounds known as saponins, which may provide anti-viral, anti-fungal, and antibacterial benefits as well.
Turmeric (Curcuma longa) contains a substance called curcumin, which has not only anti-inflammatory properties but also liver protecting, antibiotic, and antioxidant properties as well.
Quercetin is a water-soluble flavonoid typically found in onions, apples, leafy vegetables, and other food sources. It is both a potent antioxidant and anti-inflammatory and may also act as an antihistamine.
Undenatured Type II Collagen (UC-II™) is a patented, extensively studied dietary ingredient derived from chicken sternum cartilage. Through a complex process called oral tolerization, UC-II™ works with the immune system to promote healthy joints and increase joint mobility and flexibility.
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TrundleBum
Trad climber
Las Vegas
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 24, 2008 - 07:26pm PT
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active ingredient: curcumin
botanically in the ginger family
Amazing stuff, researchers investigating it's benefits for people suffering from everything from prostate and breast cancer, to Alzheimer's:
"Supplement sales have increased 35% from 2004, and the U.S. National Institutes of Health has four clinical trials underway to study curcumin treatment for pancreatic cancer, multiple myeloma, Alzheimer's, and colorectal cancer."
I have read quite a bit today and learned a lot already.
Personal stories are what I was looking for here.
TY Blinney, Werner, Jonny, Salad...
and levy TY very much that is the sort of info that you don't find easily.
Sounds like Blinney takes it everyday.
Werner do you, or just for 'bad days' ?
Diminishing returns or 'a gift that keeps on giving' ?
Sometimes I soo miss Hawai'i, I had it growing all around my yard,
just didn't have a clue about it's medicinal qualities at the time.
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Chewbongka
climber
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Jan 24, 2008 - 07:26pm PT
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What's turmeric reaction when taken with Viagra?
Some body parts I'd like to leave inflamed.
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salad
climber
San Diego
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Jan 24, 2008 - 07:42pm PT
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i take my supplement daily. when i have no injuries whatsoever for a long period, i half it. when its a bad injury i double or triple up. i also load for a week or two before races 50k and over.
i havent had any diminishing returns.
for me, it certainly doesnt stop inflamation and pain as fast or as effectively as NSAIDs but...
Jason Kinley from Hammer said this on the endurance mail list:
If you are using over the counter NSAIDs (non-steroidal anti-inflammatories ) yes they can help however the also inhibit the actual healing process. The body has different neuro-transmitters involved but two of the common ones for pain and inflammation are Cox-1 and Cox-2. Cox-2 assists in creating
pain and inflammation while Cox-1 helps to heal. That is why the Cox-2 inhibitors such as Celebrex and Vioxx were so popular. They only blocked Cox-2 so the body could heal, however the side effects were less than acceptable. The problem with over the counter is they block both, meaning yes they reduce the pain, but take longer to heal. I am not
saying that NSAIDs do not have a place, I just recommend using TR instead. Please let me know if I can be of further assistance.
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Heyzeus
climber
Hollywood,Ca
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Jan 24, 2008 - 09:04pm PT
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I use it only for acute injuries(as a anti-inflam), not as maintinance. I also take the quercetin(usually comes w/ bromelian) as well, also acutely. NSI brand is ok for the money. Other anti-inflamatory digestive enzymes are Wobenzyme or Infa-zyme (preferred,but needs refrigeration).
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matisse
climber
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Jan 24, 2008 - 09:12pm PT
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Just googling gets you lots of bs and random stuff, so it's hit and miss, although there is some good stuff. There is so much good info out there in the public domain it is worth going to the sources, like pubmed.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez/
I've posted the link below before but this is a good place to start.
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/druginfo/natural/patient-turmeric.html
The drug interactions part is worth paying attention to if you plan to take it. The link above was written by a multi-disciplinary group including naturopaths
my n = 1 .02 is that it seems to work for me. I take 500 mg/day.
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Mustang
climber
From the wild, not the ranch
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Jan 24, 2008 - 09:14pm PT
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Eat more Indian-style curries with lots of dark green, leafy, veggies, as well as celery and bok choy. The added benefit of fresh ginger and garlic will also help stimulate the whole being toward a better state of health.
If that is unpalatable, just find it in the right pill form,,,,yuk,,, good luck.
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Caveman
climber
Cumberland Plateau
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Jan 24, 2008 - 10:18pm PT
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Hard to believe but it does taste very good. Without the honey it might be a different story.
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TrundleBum
Trad climber
Las Vegas
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 24, 2008 - 10:22pm PT
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I thank y'all for the great info and links.
Blinny...
I had the same thought "promise it tastes good...?"
But hey maybe like climbing, "it doesn't have to be fun to be fun"
Levy:
"I highly reccommend Oil of Oregano"
he/she, made no bones about it's culinary excellence on the palate :)
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paganmonkeyboy
climber
mars...it's near nevada...
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Jan 24, 2008 - 10:53pm PT
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drift - I've been taking cayenne for the heart - supposedly an anti inflammatory as well, and might help with arthritis...
http://www.shirleys-wellness-cafe.com/cayenne.htm
i just added turmeric to the shopping list too...though it looks like i have to go gentle with it, based on the interactions and the fact that i'm on a bunch of those drugs at the moment (thanks matisse for that link)
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elcap-pics
climber
Crestline CA
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Jan 24, 2008 - 11:27pm PT
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Yo... I gave it a whirl on Werners advice for my hands... I haven't noted any improvement after a couple of months... that's just my experience, but I continue to take it... I load my own pills as it is way way cheap that way... I got a pound of it on the net for $7 and have made about 500 pills thus far and still have a lot left... hoping for results soon...
Tom Evans
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Senor Pinche Wey
Big Wall climber
OB
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Jan 25, 2008 - 12:01am PT
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I am currently working in South India and I have been eating it three meals/day. I had no idea it was supposed to be good for me. What we get in the states is usually a yellow powder. Here they have the root itself. It looks like a miniature ginger root except it is brilliant deep orange when cut open.
It seems like alot of our new found medicinals have been a part of traditional diets for 1000s of years. America just has no traditional eating patterns other than processed wheat products. I would guess that many cultures don't have to get advice on an internet forum on what dietary supplementation works for which chronic diseases. The correct nutritional supplements are already a part of the diet.
Jim
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