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Leroy
climber
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Topic Author's Original Post - Jan 17, 2008 - 06:52am PT
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Steve , could you spell out for us your ethical stance? Your legal council Mimi can help.Chalk, bolts,TRs,Modifying the rock,Lay it all out.
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Jaybro
Social climber
The West
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Jan 17, 2008 - 09:21am PT
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I'm getting popcorn
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Jan 17, 2008 - 09:37am PT
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Hey Leroy,
why don't you lay out yours first?
Give a sample of what you are looking for.
Or are you just trying to needle Steve?
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TradIsGood
Recently unshackled climber
the Gunks end of the country
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Jan 17, 2008 - 09:40am PT
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Sample, or example?
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SteveW
Trad climber
Denver, CO
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Jan 17, 2008 - 09:51am PT
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More controversy--yeaaaaaaa!!!!!
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eeyonkee
Trad climber
Golden, CO
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Jan 17, 2008 - 09:54am PT
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Too funny, Jaybro.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Jan 17, 2008 - 09:59am PT
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Not A example, AN example.
(OK TG? I apologize for slaughtering the vernacular.)
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TradIsGood
Recently unshackled climber
the Gunks end of the country
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Jan 17, 2008 - 10:06am PT
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:-)
Speaking of samples and purity, apparently MLB and WADA are having a little public tiff over blood samples and whether or not it is possible to test for HGH in blood.
HGH - a performance enhancer that originaties in one's pituitary gland. Apparently it is expensive to get the non-natural variety, which makes it a performance enhancer, unlike red meat which is cheaper. Also it seems that for the most part, like red meat, HGH is good for your health, maybe even better than red meat.
It is all about money.
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SteveW
Trad climber
Denver, CO
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Jan 17, 2008 - 10:13am PT
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According to Colorado's Bonfils Blood Centers,
it's not allowable for blood donors.
Until it's approved by them, I'd pass. . .
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Chewbongka
climber
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Jan 17, 2008 - 10:52am PT
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I just think Steve needs a hug...
and for someone to tell him it's all gonna be OK.
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survival
Big Wall climber
arlington, va
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Jan 17, 2008 - 10:57am PT
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Only enough chalk to keep from sliding off.
Only enough bolts to keep from getting hurt....or too scared.
Only enough enhancements to keep going up.
We'll have none of that nasty unnecessary stuff!
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Lost Arrow
Trad climber
The North Ridge of the San Fernando
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Jan 17, 2008 - 11:04am PT
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I think at this point anyone on this site can plainly see that Steve needs to get himself a mental health evaluation. It is my belief that Zoloft would be a good start but Lois is more the expert in such matters.
Juan
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'Pass the Pitons' Pete
Big Wall climber
like Oakville, Ontario, Canada, eh?
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Jan 17, 2008 - 12:16pm PT
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Too bad it's before Changeover Time - I'm still on coffee.
Is Steve a Valley Christian? Are Mark and Richard Mad Bolters like Warren Harding?
"A thousand bolts to Horse Chute!"
Bwah-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha!!!
What do you have to say for yourself, Steve?
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TradIsGood
Recently unshackled climber
the Gunks end of the country
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Jan 17, 2008 - 01:13pm PT
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LA,
A daily dose of Lois might cure him, or ...
Please try to arrange it.
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Steve Grossman
Trad climber
Seattle, WA
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Jan 17, 2008 - 01:15pm PT
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Pete- So thankful that I am not you.
Where have you ever seen that "thousand bolts to Horse Chute" quote before Richard pulled it out of the air?
And why no cheery little TR from The Horsechute/Horseplay/Horsepoop adventure?!? Things not go well up there this time you wall wanker?!?
Valley Christians was a term Warren used to humorously denigrate his detractors as puritans to contrast with his, intentionally more comic, sinister persona. Richard and Mark did not bring anywhere near Batso's skills and experience to bear on their climbs. THEY HAD NEVER DONE A MODERN AID ROUTE BEFORE WOS. Get it?
Can't really say that you've done your best when you arrogantly refuse to learn or prepare in a sensible and thorough fashion. Warren did his best in my estimation. He is one of my heroes despite the drilling and history holds him high.
Am I in the camp opposing excessive and unnecessary drilling on new routes in Yosemite? You bet! Does that make me a Christian, Valley or otherwise? Not sensibly.
Funny that Richard had no qualms about passing my name around while drinking away with Warren and his girlfriend, Richard's mom. Where was the earnest and compelling concern for the horrors of alcoholism back then I wonder?
And Leroy- my ethics are straight unadulterated old school. I'm sure that you haven't lost the sheet music.
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Carrie
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Jan 17, 2008 - 01:33pm PT
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Old School? Here's the music:Old School
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Off White
climber
Tenino, WA
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Jan 17, 2008 - 01:41pm PT
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Traditional climbing ethics are the equivalent of lynching? A fine first post, which flabberlipped slumgullion has their hand inside your puppet head?
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'Pass the Pitons' Pete
Big Wall climber
like Oakville, Ontario, Canada, eh?
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Jan 17, 2008 - 01:42pm PT
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Holy frig. Feeling a bit "testy"?
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WBraun
climber
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Jan 17, 2008 - 01:49pm PT
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Of course he's "testy" you got in his face Pete.
Once Bridwell and me were racking up for something the parking lot many years ago and there was this guy at the next car over saying some sh'it to Bridwell.
Bridwell let it slide for awhile and told the guy to mellow out.
The guy didn't and next thing I see Bridwell go over and pick the guy up and slam his body into the dirt while telling the dude to STFU.
Edit: New school calls their lawyers and cries mommy.
Old school dude will just come over and kick your ass.
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wbw
climber
'cross the great divide
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Jan 17, 2008 - 02:33pm PT
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I'm no wall master, unlike the rest of you on this forum, so without contributing anything to the discussion, I will say this.
If the fact that Steve is articulate, and not afraid to call it as he sees it bothers you, then maybe those of you with credibility that is, um . . . marginal, should calm down just a bit before you confront him. Speaking of credibility and credentials, if you haven't gotten down that way, go take a walk on Steve's mile on one of his routes in southern Arizona. You'll probably discover that his credibility in the "ethics" discussion is unquestionable.
Now, can someone please pass the salt.
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