Difference Between 'Ascend" and "Send? help me out here....

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happiegrrrl

Trad climber

New York, NY

Topic Author's Original Post - Oct 23, 2007 - 09:55am PT

hey all - It's suggested(on rc.com) that I am incoherent because I said "falling on a route is not an ascent." My post was in response to a request that they make a "Projects" option in their database, so one can, supposedly, keep track of the routes they fell on, but hope to one day make a clean climb....And also to have a place where they can enter unclimbed routes/boulder problems that they are hoping to send.

It went on and on, with some attempts at berating me, and finally it's agreed - as was said in my FIRST post, that a climb fallen on, is not a send.

When I wigged out saying "WTF!!!??? That's what I said all along!" I was responded to with the following:

"so either you didn't know the difference between the terms ascent and send, your arugments are a rambling incoherent mess, or you're backtracking. "

I come to you all, not only because I think either this thread will get a few good laughs at posts made by others, but also to ask in seriousness:

Do you differentiate between the terms "ascent" and "sent"(or send, as was used above)?

here is a link to the thread I mention, if you'd like to have the back story. I am a big girl, and I can take criticism(though not very well, I admit), but I can assure you that I don't backtrack in an attempt to weasel out of being wrong. When I am wrong - I stick to my guns, dammit!

http://www.rockclimbing.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=1705788#1705788

slobmonster

Trad climber

berkeley, ca

Oct 23, 2007 - 10:05am PT

"Send" requires some style, panache, and skill. But an "ascent," however noteworthy, does not (necessarily).

Rock!...oopsie.

Trad climber

pitch above you

Oct 23, 2007 - 10:13am PT

Warren Harding = ascent
Lynn Hill = send

bachar

Trad climber

Mammoth Lakes, CA

Oct 23, 2007 - 10:26am PT

"Oh Mr. John...I try route for six days. On seven day I on sight frash."

famous climber quote (take a guess)

hangdog = ascent = aid climb

send = free no falls

free solo = no rope

Gary

climber

Desolation Basin, Calif.

Oct 23, 2007 - 10:38am PT

One of the nice aspects of being at the bottom of the rock climbing food chain is not having to worry about all this jargon. 'Send', 'flash', 'redpoint', 'pinkpoint', 'brownpoint', 'project' (used as a verb?), WTF does all that mean?

Us bottom feeders get to show up, find a route and climb it as best as possible, then go have a beer while everyone else gets torqued over semantics.

MisterE

Social climber

Across town from Easy Street

Oct 23, 2007 - 10:48am PT

Warren Harding was a hangdogger!!!! lol. I want a shirt!

caughtinside

Social climber

Davis, CA

Oct 23, 2007 - 10:52am PT

Inconcievable!

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

TwistedCrank

climber

Caution: Filling may be hot.

Oct 23, 2007 - 10:52am PT

climb /klaɪm/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[klahym] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–verb (used without object)
1. to go up or ascend, esp. by using the hands and feet or feet only: to climb up a ladder.
2. to rise slowly by or as if by continued effort: The car laboriously climbed to the top of the mountain.
3. to ascend or rise: The plane climbed rapidly and we were soon at 35,000 feet. Temperatures climbed into the 80s yesterday.
4. to slope upward: The road climbs steeply up to the house.
5. to ascend by twining or by means of tendrils, adhesive tissues, etc., as a plant: The ivy climbed to the roof.
6. to proceed or move by using the hands and feet, esp. on an elevated place; crawl: to climb along a branch; to climb around on the roof.
7. to ascend in prominence, fortune, etc.: From lowly beginnings he climbed to the highest office in the land.
–verb (used with object)
8. to ascend, go up, or get to the top of, esp. by the use of the hands and feet or feet alone or by continuous or strenuous effort: to climb a rope; to climb the stairs; to climb a mountain.
9. to go to the top of and over: The prisoners climbed the wall and escaped.
–noun
10. a climbing; an ascent by climbing: It was a long climb to the top of the hill.
11. a place to be climbed: That peak is quite a climb.

Put those tendrils and adhesive tissues to good use, bubbas.

Ed Hartouni

Trad climber

Livermore, CA

Oct 23, 2007 - 10:58am PT

too much time on the internet, too little time on the rock...

as is said above, but just go out and try to have fun climbing, if you are pushing yourself, you'll know 'cause you won't necessarily make it up everything you are trying without hanging.

I won't check a route off if I didn't do it clean, if it was a route that went free. For example, I've done Royal Arches with and without the pendulum assist. Lately I seem to take the pendulum for speed. But it doesn't matter to me if I use or don't use the aid... I'm just having fun running up the route. Who cares.

If I hangdog up Reed's Left it's not a send. When I lead it clean, that'll be a send. But I am still having fun (or at least what passes as fun on 5.10 offwidth climbs).

Angst less, climb more.

Gary

climber

Desolation Basin, Calif.

Oct 23, 2007 - 11:31am PT

Angst less, climb more.

Now there's a great helmet sticker!

TradIsGood

Half fast climber

the Gunks end of the country

Oct 23, 2007 - 12:09pm PT

It's not figure skating, gymnastics or diving.

While (fun)
{
Climb as high as you want, however you want.
Descend.
}

(If there are judges with score cards, take off your skates, and leave.)

graham

Social climber

Ventura, California

Oct 23, 2007 - 12:17pm PT

John, was that Suzuki?

Anyway its scend not send. just a slang shortcut for Ascend.

bob d'antonio

Trad climber

Taos, NM

Oct 23, 2007 - 12:20pm PT

John...you flash please

Lambone

Ice climber

Ashland, Or

Oct 23, 2007 - 12:27pm PT

please don't bring your RC.com dramas to the Tacostand.

send is simply "Dude" speak for ascend. you can't draw any conclusions in style of the send or ascent from either term, since everyone lies anyway...

The

Mountain climber

South Lake Tahoe, CA

Oct 23, 2007 - 12:32pm PT

Sharma=send
Lowe=ascend
If you flailed, its not a "send"
If you made it to the top, its an ascent.
Ascents are more geared to mountaineering and long routes.
Sends are more geared toward single pitches, although they mix quite smoothly if you don't make the cardinal mistake of raising the question on ST.

Dragon with Matches

climber

Bamboo Grove

Oct 23, 2007 - 12:34pm PT

What they said, including Fezzik.

Sending = Ascending + Styling

Styling = going free, if free can be; bonus if cordless, impaired, barefoot and/or a vue

Proud should count for something