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can't say
Social climber
Pasadena CA
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Topic Author's Original Post - Oct 20, 2004 - 12:36pm PT
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check it out.
http://www.yubanet.com/artman/publish/article_14313.shtml
I don't think this really conforms to the 1st Admendment separation of church and state clause. They are clearly advancing their religious views on how the Canyon was formed. It would be kinda/sorta funny if it wasn't so scary
oh, sorry (just a little bit) for the political nature of this.
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Terry
climber
Spokane
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Oct 20, 2004 - 01:02pm PT
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Then you don't understand the first ammendment. There is no seperation of church and state clause. It says the government shall make no law ESTABLISHING a religion. Allowing the sale of a (populuar) book hardly qualifies as establishing a religion. We've gone way overboard. No one would have said a thing if it was a buddhist book on meditation and how to enjoy the beauty of the Canyon.
Establish: Verb: i'stablish - Set up or found
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jfk
climber
Santa Barbara, CA
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Oct 20, 2004 - 01:07pm PT
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Sadly, nor does the 1st amendment prohibit the establishment of ignorance.
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Terry
climber
Spokane
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Oct 20, 2004 - 01:10pm PT
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Thats why we allow evolution as fact to be taught in our schools. Sorry couldn't resist.
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can't say
Social climber
Pasadena CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 20, 2004 - 01:13pm PT
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ok, my bad for using the 1st. Admendment arguement, I just find it reflective of the administrations attempt to promote fundamentalist relgious views anyway it can in the govt. At least to me.
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Tradboy
Social climber
Valley
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Oct 20, 2004 - 01:37pm PT
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"No one would have said a thing if it was a buddhist book on meditation and how to enjoy the beauty of the Canyon."
No sh#t. How is that even comparable to using the Flood to explain how the GC was formed?
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atchafalaya
Trad climber
California
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Oct 20, 2004 - 01:47pm PT
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scary... a “Faith-Based Parks” agenda. Anyone know what the creationist theory of the valley is? Noahs flood? Or do I have to wait for the NPS sponsored book?
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Matt
climber
SF
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Oct 20, 2004 - 01:56pm PT
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I find it soooooooo very interesting that Democrats feel free to quote old historical dogma when it fits their needs, but call it old historical dogma when it doesn’t!
did you know that the 'founding fathers' all held that the bulk of an estate ought to become the property of the government when a wealthy man died? they were particularly concerned about the rise of a ruling class and eventualy living under a monarchy, right here in this country. you don't hear the repub's spouting about that when they talk about the 'death tax', do ya? but they quote the hell outta the old revolutionary dads when it suits their needs...
And what the hell is this crap about Cheney’s daughter. Even comes up in the debates!
The “Dems.” Are outing the poor woman when she doesn’t want to be!
actualy, cheney was talking openly about his daughter's sexual prefrences in interviews going back several weeks ago, and she is an activist, so her life is no secret, she wears it on her sleeve. you are repeating a gripe of opportunism that has no factual basis.
Say Kerry’s daughter might be of the lesbian persuasion (now that has me thinking). If the Elephants were to be making ANY noise about this, there would be an uproar! But the Dems. can jab Cheney freely?!
no one 'outed' cheney's daughter.
she is not ashamed of herself (though her parents and their party never bring her up on stage at any of the usual times, after the debvates, etc.
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dirtbag
climber
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Oct 20, 2004 - 01:57pm PT
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Funny how right-wingers became "indignant" over an alleged breach of privacy of a gay person yet support an anti-marriage amendment to the Constitution that would intrude into the most private spheres of lives. Hypocrites.
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Hammer
climber
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Oct 22, 2004 - 10:03am PT
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Matt,
Why don't you quite reading all that political propaganda and GET A LIFE!?
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Marin Hot Tub Country
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Oct 22, 2004 - 12:02pm PT
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No shit!
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Matt
climber
SF
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Oct 24, 2004 - 08:50pm PT
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Why don't you quite reading all that political propaganda and GET A LIFE!?
oh i have a sweet life pal, but thanks for your concern!
and my life (and yours, like it or not) is going to be a lot better when buba goes back to crawford.
i have figured out that when i piss off ol' HARDonNOT, i must have made a great point somewhere, so i guess that was the case up above? dunno, didn't read it again...
go SOX
-matt
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Slablizard2
Sport climber
Bay Area
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Oct 25, 2004 - 06:55pm PT
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The Gran Canyon what? Only in US :) LOL!
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briand
Trad climber
bay area
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Oct 26, 2004 - 03:14am PT
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Who the hell are you Fattrad? Do you even climb or are you too fat?
Matt climbs and happens to be pretty good. I bet he could outclimb most people on this forum. I'd climb with him anytime.
One of these days, all you Bush supporters will see the light.
BD
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dufas
Trad climber
san francisco
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Oct 26, 2004 - 12:18pm PT
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fattrad, you are acting like a flaming jerk and making the incorrect assumption that this forum is about you and your opinions. take a step back and learn that this is not the case as others of us have.
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nature
climber
Flagstaff, AZ
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Oct 26, 2004 - 12:34pm PT
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"I bet Matt climbs really good in the gym. Losers"
That would be:
"I bet Matt climbs really _well_ in the gym. Losers"
:-P
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Marin Hot Tub Country
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Oct 26, 2004 - 12:58pm PT
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Matt is a pussy who doesn't act at all in person like he does on this forum -- which is a good thing.
It's sad when someone's Real Life™ persona is so different from when they spew on-line.
Hey Matt, go ahead and call me names. And then, like before, when I see you in
person you will be back to your normal meek, mild self as usual.
You would never have the sack to talk sh#t to my face and you know it.
Do you remember when I confronted you at Shoreline a couple years ago?
And do you remember what you said and how you acted?
Pussy.
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dufas
Trad climber
san francisco
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Oct 26, 2004 - 01:13pm PT
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gettin' ugly 'round here . . .
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Marin Hot Tub Country
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Oct 26, 2004 - 01:49pm PT
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Ok -- I had another cup of coffee, and had a good laugh when I re-read my post above.
Instead of editing to tone it down, I'll let it stand. Should be good for laughs down the line...
Just want to make clear that I wasn't inferring any sort of physical situation;
that's not my style at all -- and is obvious to anyone who knows me.
What's interesting about Matt is that I have never once heard him talk about politics
in person. Yet that's all he ever posts about here. Why is that?
Matt talks a lot about climbing in person, yet he never posts about climbing here.
Why is that?
Matt obviously climbs, (or at least he used to) and he has done some proud stuff.
And if you met him in person or asked about him, you would know this to be true.
But you would never know it by reading anything he has posted here.
Are we getting the picture?
IMO, Matt would be a lot cooler if his on-line persona even remotely resembled who he is in Real Life™.
Hell, I might even buy Matt a beer if he promises to STFU about politics on this climbing forum.
(after I severely heckle him publicly)
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