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dave
climber
Oceanside
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Topic Author's Original Post - Jul 14, 2004 - 09:26pm PT
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Saw a mean looking one tied to a tree, Memorial Day, at Tahquitz. He turned out to be nice, but scared shitless, it was scorching hot, he was hanging in the sun (nearly litteraly)and he had NO WATER! Dogs should stay home.,. You cant take care of your dog at the crag!
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JerryGarcia
Trad climber
South Lake Tahoe
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Jul 14, 2004 - 10:02pm PT
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"Dogs should stay home"
That is all that need be said. No arguement any of you attempt to make about your dog needing to be outdoors will work in this situation. Would you take your dog down to the street corner, tie him up to the light post and leave? Well thats what you are doing when you take your dog to the crag.
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xclimber
Trad climber
Tucson, AZ
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 14, 2004 - 10:58pm PT
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Excuse me... You don't have a clue about what I do with my dog at the crag. Because one (or several) dog owners act in a certain way you assume that all dog owners act the same...? Your argument is fallacious, and barely worthy of a response.
What planet are you from? You must be a Bush supporter... or perhaps an athletic supporter...?
Jerry
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Wayne Arly
Social climber
Prescott, AZ
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 14, 2004 - 11:31pm PT
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OK, "Xclimber", I really am curious: What do you do with your dog on a multi pitch route?
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dougs510
Trad climber
Nashville, TN.
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Jul 14, 2004 - 11:55pm PT
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We did pingora, and my bud left his dog at the base..... The creature was so faithful, that my bud had to hike back to the base and retrieve him as he wouldn't leave without knowing where his master was.... plus, he was REALLY COOL.
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rwedgee
Ice climber
canyon country,CA
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Jul 15, 2004 - 01:18am PT
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I thought you weren't supposed to leave food tied to the base of the crag. Maybe thats just on El CAP. I once saw 2 tied pooches get munched by a hungry bobcat elsewhere. Hey, my Vietnamese partner might have at it if he's hungry enough so go ahead & leave your kung pow spicy jack russel terrier.
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JerryGarcia
Trad climber
South Lake Tahoe
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Jul 15, 2004 - 02:23am PT
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nice one rwedgee.
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darmo
Trad climber
Cali
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Jul 15, 2004 - 02:39am PT
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Dogs smell bad.
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Nohea
Trad climber
Aiea,Hi
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Jul 15, 2004 - 04:13am PT
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Hey I'll gladly get a dog.....once I can find one that will follow ME around and pick up my sh#t wherever I may leave it.
But until then....no dogs, and sure as hell no damn cats.
bill
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Nor Cal
Trad climber
San Mateo
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Jul 15, 2004 - 10:17am PT
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I was at Reeds pinnacle one day to climb Lunatic, a dog was tied in the shade off to the right of the climb near the rock. The dog was not friendly, we did not approach him but he barked and growled at us until his owner returned.
At Lovers Leap about a month ago two dogs were at the base of the Line, as soon as the owners were out of the dogs sight one of them started barking non stop until the owner came running down from the top to silence the animal, this went on for quite a while.
I love dogs but they dont belong at the crag. In Yosemite it is made clear that they (park service) dont like dogs there.
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Bilbo
Trad climber
Truckee
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Jul 15, 2004 - 10:18am PT
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At least the bears won't get into your sh#t with a dog around.
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msiddens
Trad climber
Saratoga, CA
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Jul 15, 2004 - 11:06am PT
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I swear......everytime I see this thread re-posted it's simply dejavu all over again:-). Dogs rule, dogs drool blah blah blah.
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atchafalaya
Trad climber
California
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Jul 15, 2004 - 11:17am PT
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this ones been beatin to death.... see ya at the crags, with my dog
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Forest
Trad climber
Tucson, AZ
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Jul 15, 2004 - 11:57am PT
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Decent (but sad) reason to carry mace when you go cragging, I guess. I feel bad for the poor dogs with such cruel irresonsible owners.
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up2top
Big Wall climber
Phoenix, AZ
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Jul 15, 2004 - 12:15pm PT
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Woof! Woof, woof, woof, rrrruff! Woof, ruff, ruff, WOOF! GrrrrRUFF! *
*Translation -- Some dogs can't go to any crag at anytime. Some dogs CAN go to many crags anytime. Some crags can't have ANY dog at any time. No ignorant-assed, broad-brushed rule should apply to bringing dogs to crags. Piss off.
Ed's Rottweiler
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dave
climber
Oceanside
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 15, 2004 - 12:30pm PT
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Piss off, when I kick your barking, growling dog in the ribs!
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shakey legs
Trad climber
san diego ca
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Jul 15, 2004 - 01:06pm PT
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I take my dog to the local crag in San Diego early mournings. She runs around and has fun while I climb single pitch climbs. Has anyone ever really been bothered by a dog while climbing? I have taken my dog to tahquitz and suicide as well and she plays with the other dogs that are there while i climb. If my dogs not pooping on the trail or barking or bothering you who cares if I bring her or not?
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up2top
Big Wall climber
Phoenix, AZ
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Jul 15, 2004 - 01:11pm PT
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I'd just look at you funny and go back to sleep. See, that's the problem. A general mischaracterization of "all" dogs as barking and growling. Look, if you come across a dog that barking and growling at the crags then I'll be the first pooch on the block to help you take him down. I hate those yappy-lil kick dogs that bark at their own shadow. But I realize that even a well trained, well socialized, even tempered, good natured pooch like myself isn't able to go to some crags with my owner.
Ed's Rottweiler
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Sir Run-it-out
Trad climber
Berkeley, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 15, 2004 - 04:26pm PT
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Shakey asks "Has anyone ever really been bothered by a dog while climbing?"
Yes.
Two weeks ago at Phobos/Deimos, someone was bitten by a free running dog as his owner was on Blues Riff. Said owner didn't even bother to come down when this happened.
I have seen many dogs freak out when their owners got up high off the ground, and threaten other climbers at the base. These aren't isolated incidents. While some dogs are cool hanging out at the base of climbs, some certainly aren't, and should be restrained. The owners should certainly know what type of dogs they own, and take appropriate measures.
I've also seen dogs go after food left in packs and behave as badly as any marmot.
Not to mention dog fights that ended with bloodshed, and exclamations of "wow, she's usually so quiet! I've never seen her act that way before."
If you can't make sure that your dog will be happy and not harass anyone, don't bring it to the crag. Otherwise your actions are selfish and/or dangerous.
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Matt
Trad climber
SF Bay Area
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 15, 2004 - 04:55pm PT
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depends on the dog
depends on the cragg
sadly, not every owner of every dog that might fail the subjective determination will abide by the golden rule, but that is not so different than what happens w/ people and their dogs out there in the rest of 'real life'.
as the lucky owner of a very well tempered and overly loving yellow lab, i can say that we don't even need to tie him up if we do a 3 pitch climb at the leap, because he is gonna chill like an eskimo, but i do think in general it's far more responsible to keep one human on the ground when cragging w/ a pup, for many reasons.
and remember, dogs don't leave dog crap lying around, people leave dog crap lying around...
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