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cragnshag
Social climber
san joser
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Jan 16, 2018 - 05:02pm PT
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I wonder why Santa Clara County made the cut to be part of New California? Maybe the new state needed a reliable source of revenue? San Benito County didn't make the cut, so I'll have to cross the state line to go to work.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Jan 16, 2018 - 05:39pm PT
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Does this mean there'll be a new shithole?
It all depends on what you mean by shithole.
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justthemaid
climber
Jim Henson's Basement
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Jan 16, 2018 - 06:20pm PT
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Riverside/ Orange County/San Diego ain't exactly farm land either.
Fitting that odd count number of stars on the flag is always so awkward.
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Splater
climber
Grey Matter
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Jan 16, 2018 - 06:48pm PT
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Gerry has mandered another crooked line.
Better yet, for purposes of electoral college and number of congressmembers + senators, combine into one state:
both Dakotas
Iowa & Missouri
Wy & Montana & Idaho
Kansas + Nebraska
Oklahoma + Arkansas
Utah + Nevada
W. Virginia + Delaware.
Mississippi + ?
Alaska + Hawaii
etc.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Jan 16, 2018 - 07:28pm PT
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Shitheadistan?
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Bruce Morris
Trad climber
Soulsbyville, California
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Jan 16, 2018 - 08:21pm PT
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I get the distinct feeling though that blue California is going to move out into the Central Valley and eastern counties. Venture Capital (VC) will eventually make it up the 580 corridor to places like Modesto and (my gawd!) Oakdale. There's already a telecommuting culture in the Foothills that faces toward San Jose. Eventually all that cheap real estate is just too tempting. Also, the eastern provinces are tied to State money that's doled out to the poorer areas. If they go indy, they'll be cutting their own throats.
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Jan 16, 2018 - 08:30pm PT
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If they go indy, they'll be cutting their own throats.
That's what is forgotten every time the rural (or at least non-big-city) folk get upset about being under the political thumb of the city-dwelling hordes.
Modern roads, power, sewers, etc etc etc aren't free, and the residents of small-town North America would have trouble paying for them without a contribution from the taxes harvested from those nasty city types.
Yes, it goes both ways, and the city-dwellers gain from their rural brethren, but to believe that you and your twenty neighbors can afford, out of your own pockets, the upkeep of the highways, power grids etc that you take for granted is unrealistic.
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Jan 16, 2018 - 08:43pm PT
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They haven't forgotten.
Hmmm. Technically, that's probably true. In order to forget something, you have to have known it in the first place. Having lived in small-town, medium-size, and big-city environments, my sense is that the rural folk really don't accept that "those as#@&%es in the city" are contributing big dollars to the rural lifestyle.
On the other hand, this...
The key here is to listen and hear what they are really chaffed about. It's the same set of complaints that led to the election of President Trump.
...is spot on. But the real question is, how do we get people to listen?
Dingus, you and I have lived in tiny, small, medium and big places. We know that farm folk, small-towners, little-city people, and urbanites all have problems. But a lot of people who have never left their birth environment are unwilling, or incapable, of seeing anything except their own problems -- which, of course, are caused by "those as#@&%es in..."
What to do?
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Jan 16, 2018 - 08:56pm PT
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Can we get an Amen for New Baja California?
Or two.
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Ricky D
Trad climber
Sierra Westside
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Jan 16, 2018 - 09:07pm PT
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Which state would get to keep the legal weed?
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mtnyoung
Trad climber
Twain Harte, California
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Jan 16, 2018 - 09:50pm PT
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...I don't have any big answers.
That might be true Dingus. Maybe you don't have big answers.
But you do have small answers.
I see at least one of your small answers daily on this site. I see you treat your fellow citizens (here on Supertopo) with basic respect. Consistently. Day in and day out. Agree or disagree. Basic respect for others.
That's a small answer that I wish a lot more people would implement.
(As you would say) Cheers!
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Jan 16, 2018 - 09:59pm PT
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I don't know the answer either. But it's an answer we ought to be working hard to find, because the us-vs-them splits are starting to rip civilization apart. And not just in the US -- Europe is seeing the same thing.
And going two posts up, I have to disagree with Jim's comment about the old saw of labour being stationary and capital mobile not having changed since the invention of money.
That is just plain wrong. Labor has been mobile since the beginning of the industrial revolution. If labor wasn't mobile, there would be no big cities.
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ontheedgeandscaredtodeath
Social climber
Wilds of New Mexico
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Jan 16, 2018 - 10:10pm PT
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Pretty smart how they give the blue California the commercial ports and two major international airports, the oil producing counties and the wine, tech and entertainment industries.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jan 16, 2018 - 10:36pm PT
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don't know the answer either.
I do. Nobody listened to Thomas Malthus 200 years ago except the German Army in
the latter part of the 19th century.
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Bruce Morris
Trad climber
Soulsbyville, California
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Jan 16, 2018 - 10:53pm PT
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But what are the best paying jobs in Tuolumne County? For one, the guards out at the prison by Jamestown who buy property in Twain Harte and get big pensions. For another, there are the social workers who try to help the tweakers and homeless in downtown Sonora. The social worker types too have degrees, high paying jobs and pension-track positions. But where does the money come from to pay them? Obviously from the fat areas along the Coast filtered through the State Legislature in Sacramento. In other words, the backbone of the local economies is underwritten by the more prosperous areas. If the counties in the Sierra foothills set up their own separate State there wouldn't be anyone around except the homeless, criminals and tweakers. All the retirees would scream bloody murder.
Hence what's missing in the cultural outback in Cali is venture capital plus large schools to produce a professional class that would up the standard of living and raise property values. But a lot of the people who live in those areas don't want to see that happen because then they'd have to change. Wouldn't be quiet and folksy anymore. Just can't have it both ways though.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Jan 17, 2018 - 02:34am PT
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For the guards at Sierra Conservation Center, the realty game in Tuolumne County and vicinity is the new Mother Lode. Their union is probably the single most effective in the entire state. What would one expect?
There are more folks commuting to Modesto from the foothills than ever, whereas in the last century the Sonora area was more of a second-home investment opportunity for those in the urban centers and the coast.
Recently, there are many staffers at UC Merced who live in Mariposa County for the lifestyle and who commute to the campus through the charming countryside each morning. Also, there are several people who I have met that teach at the UC, but who don't get nearly the wages the administrators have been able to wangle. They typically commute from areas like Oakland/East Bay to work at the lower pay scale, but tenure is not going to happen soon, if at all.
Times and economies change constantly and we have the automobile to thank.
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10b4me
Mountain climber
Retired
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Jan 17, 2018 - 07:56am PT
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ain't going to happen.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jan 17, 2018 - 08:04am PT
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^^^^^. Jerry would call out the National Guard, headed by General RJ!
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Jan 17, 2018 - 08:25am PT
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