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Ballo
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Topic Author's Original Post - Jan 11, 2018 - 11:09am PT
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For whatever reason, mountainproject.com has attracted a slew of social justice posts especially after the election. Examples include "Not feeling safe" after Trump got elected, making crags safe for "climbers of color" (I kid you not), being surprised that pre-teen girls climb 5.12 as being "sexist", suggesting that women on average don't climb as hard as men as being "sexist", and banning anyone who posts pithy rejoinders (including yours truly). Now I learn they're going to make a "Ladies Forum" which I honestly am for (hopefully a containment board) but there is clearly a need for a forum where people can talk about actual climbing and find partners without having one's skin tone checked.
I honestly wouldn't care if mountainproect.com went full ResertERA except it's the only site left with an active partner-seeking forum.
It's crap like this which is ruining the sport. I don't care if you're a black klansman if you can catch a fall.
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Ballo
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 11, 2018 - 11:16am PT
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Which sport ? The sport of posting on an online forum?
I'll provide a bone fide real-life example:
I was at Indian Creek and randomly hooked up with this girl and Swede. The girl was *constantly* going on about social justice while singing Frank Sinatra songs, which she also labeled as "sexist". Everything was about how society was sexist and yet the men hauled nearly all the weight and put up all the routes. Needless to say I avoided her like the plague the next day.
Just to be clear, I honestly don't care about her opinions or even her hypocrisy. However at no point was I free to disagree or have a mind of my own.
Maybe you've been blessed not to be around these poeple.
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Mungeclimber
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Nothing creative to say
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Jan 11, 2018 - 11:16am PT
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whine much?
Build your own forum ya free loader.
heh
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Gnome Ofthe Diabase
climber
Out Of Bed
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Jan 11, 2018 - 11:19am PT
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Mountain Reject
use it as you see fit.
I think that at least Bob D'A asked that all FA's that he had added/ climbed be removed from the data base.
I am, as of this week, trying to decide if my times up ?
so Should I add all 25 of my small rock hell zones?
I put The Ravens Crest on the Connecticut page.(Wooster Mt)
I have not listed any routes. ( climbed & recorded )
save the experience for the adventurous, was my thinking. That was 5 years ago and I dont think more than one other party has ever made the ten minute stumble to the base.
I bet if I bolted The things, they would cum
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Ballo
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 11, 2018 - 11:22am PT
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The DB I couldn't give two shits about. I posted a couple routes once in a vain (extremely vain) attempt to enforce some sense of standards. I can more easily ignore beta.
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Trashman
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SLC
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Jan 11, 2018 - 11:25am PT
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Hah, hard to see why a gem like yerself would need a partner finder.
Someone with years of experience and few enough partners to need to resort to randos on the web has always been a bright red flag in my experience, thanks for another datapoint on the confirmation side.
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Ballo
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 11, 2018 - 11:25am PT
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I have plenty of partners at home base, but they don't travel.
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Don Paul
Mountain climber
Denver CO
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Jan 11, 2018 - 11:37am PT
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Tolerance requires patience and maturity. This forum would be better if people didnt get into fights but there is really no way to referee it. It reminds me a lot of rec.climbing.
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skcreidc
Social climber
SD, CA
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Jan 11, 2018 - 11:41am PT
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Tolerance requires patience and maturity.
Crap. There goes my idea of a post
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Lituya
Mountain climber
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Jan 11, 2018 - 11:42am PT
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Did they look like this?
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Ballo
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 11, 2018 - 11:45am PT
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+1... You can do that on mountainproject.com too. They now have a convenient virtue signal button.
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Ballo
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 11, 2018 - 11:49am PT
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Tolerance requires patience and maturity. I'm curious to know what you mean by tolerance. Do you mean tolerance of different opinions? What about different ethics?
Unfortunately these neo-progressives have defined tolerance as intolerance of wrongthink and, sadly, shitposting.
[Click to View YouTube Video]
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Fat Dad
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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Jan 11, 2018 - 11:50am PT
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What your name on MP? It sounds like you didn't get a sympathetic ear over there so you're trying over here.
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Ballo
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 11, 2018 - 11:51am PT
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LOL, speak of the devil! YouTube banned this video:
[Click to View YouTube Video]
This is the hell we're in: no jokes allowed
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Ballo
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 11, 2018 - 11:52am PT
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Fat Dad I'm more interested in hashing the issue out (since it isn't allowed on mp.com) Save your sympathies.
If I'm the only person who thinks this is an issue, so be it. I'll become a hermit or something.
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Don Paul
Mountain climber
Denver CO
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Jan 11, 2018 - 11:59am PT
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Ballo its a recurring theme here, whether there should be non climbing threads. I think theyre great and dont read the ones that dont interest me. Live and let live. I learned right away to avoid the religion threads where people can get very upset. Its also important to allow people to disagree with you, since those are the ones who can open your mind.
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Ballo
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 11, 2018 - 12:06pm PT
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Don Paul, that's how LIFE used to be, too, and IMHO we were better off for it.
It pains me more as a climber since climbers came together for one purpose: climbing! We really didn't care as much about all these other issues. I mean hell, how many hippie stoners did Jim Bridwell climb with? Sometimes I had heated political debates only to climb soon after. Having fun on the rocks made you realize how silly it all was.
But these SJWs are something else. It's starting to feel like 1984. As bad as it is on the internet (YouTube just provided an example above) it PAINS me to see it in climbing!
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clode
Trad climber
portland, or
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Jan 11, 2018 - 12:21pm PT
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Ballo, you said something to the effect that "however, at no point did I have the opportunity to disagree or have a mind of my own".
Dude! This is still 'merica! You could have said anything you wanted! But I doubt that it would have made you feel much better, or improved the situation. Your choice of avoidance was probably the best course of action.
Ballo follow-up, I don't understand what you mean when you say "Not true of the web forum however". Unless it's that you could say something sufficiently insensitive, provocative or politically incorrect, that the web master would censure you. In that sense, I agree that you don't have complete freedom of speech. Yet, in a way, you still do, you can still say whatever you want on the forum, but it just might not make it onto the screen for all to see!
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NegativeK
climber
Chicago
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Jan 11, 2018 - 12:33pm PT
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Do you need a safe space from the meany liberals?
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Ballo
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 11, 2018 - 01:49pm PT
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clode, well let's just say what little I did say wasn't met with the same respect and consideration and I found myself biting my tongue, but you are right in the strictest sense. Not true with the web forum however.
NegativeK, funny, I still consider myself a liberal, but not a progressive (not that it should matter). I'm not an advocate of safe spaces or reprimanding people for wrongthink. My problem with SJWs is that they're prigs who wish to do exactly that. I suppose I thought the crag was a safe space where honest opinions and other bullshit were allowed.
Dingus Milktoast, she wasn't Swedish. That guy was alright and allowed me to disagree with his politics.
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