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Curt
Boulder climber
Gilbert, AZ
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Dec 19, 2006 - 01:07am PT
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1) The fireman was mistaken with regard to what he actually saw.
2) I wonder what the sound of a "pancaking" building would sound like, where each floor (say 20 feet apart) is collapsing down onto the next successive floor over and over again?
That was easy. Got anything else?
Curt
Oh, and there's no way I would waste 1hr. 11min. on that other bullsh#t.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Arid-zona
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Dec 19, 2006 - 01:18am PT
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P.s.- Not censorship Karl I didn't prevent anyone from reading his post, just responded with an equally obnoxious and annoying post. Chris: Formatting these tables is really, really easy and if your coder doesn't want to do it I'd be happy to change a few quick things on your code if you want the help.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Dec 19, 2006 - 01:32am PT
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Hi DJ
I don't have hi speed so I won't check out the links but you need to put some breaks in your long yawn criticism so it doesn't make the thread unintelligable
Peace
Karl
All censorships exist to prevent anyone from challenging current conceptions and existing institutions. All progress is initiated by challenging current conceptions, and executed by supplanting existing institutions. Consequently the first condition of progress is the removal of censorships. There is the whole case against censorships in a nutshell. -- George Bernard Shaw, Preface to Mrs. Warren's Profession
Edit
Thanks to HDDJ for fixing the formatting while preserving his opinion.
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Mimi
climber
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Dec 19, 2006 - 01:41am PT
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Now that's a trick! Too damned funny!
Edit: Aw come on HDDJ! That was great. Put it back.
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Jerry Dodrill
climber
Bodega, CA
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Dec 19, 2006 - 01:43am PT
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"The fireman was mistaken with regard to what he actually saw."
Come on. That's a lame dismissive copout. Face reality. Firefighters know their *shit*. It's their job. Check your breathing and pulse. You might be dead.
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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Dec 19, 2006 - 02:25am PT
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Edit: Aw come on HDDJ! That was great. Put it back.
In my knott-so humble opinion, making a thread unintelligable is anything but great
(unless you have a ton of time to waste tediously scrolling back and forth forever).
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WoodySt
Trad climber
Riverside
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Dec 19, 2006 - 02:49am PT
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Must be a full moon again.
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TradIsGood
Happy and Healthy climber
the Gunks end of the country
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Dec 19, 2006 - 09:03am PT
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Post 9-11...
Are anti-collision lights required on reindeer?
Are they subject to new airspace restrictions?
Does the sleigh have a reinforced locked door?
What about all that baggage that does not belong to a passenger?
Do heat-seeking missiles work on reindeer and sleigh, or are radar-guided missiles required?
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stevep
Boulder climber
Salt Lake, UT
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Dec 19, 2006 - 09:29am PT
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Firefighters do have to know how to fight fires. They are not the experts I would look to when trying to determine if a molten substance is steel or alumininum or plastics.
Klimmer, you can post all the anecdotal messages you want, but people see and say strange things when in stressful situations.
For instance, when somebody says, "the wind sounded like a freight train" that doesn't lead us to believe that rather than the wind, there really was a freight train?
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pda2540
climber
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Dec 19, 2006 - 09:54am PT
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They all seemed to say it was "like lava"
Therefore, there can be no doubt this was volcanic in origin.
That whole plane thing was just a coincidence.
No sh#t.
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Mimi
climber
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Dec 19, 2006 - 10:52am PT
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Knott, I'm not aware of how bad it is with dial up. With DSL, it was simply a very wide page width. At the time, real funny.
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wildone
climber
Isolated in El Portal and loving it
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Dec 19, 2006 - 11:09am PT
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You should see Loose Change II. Interviews with firefighters on the ground, the same crews that exclusively handle building demo, and are on the ground when they blow buildings on itself. Immediately after the event, these guys, before they were approached and censored by the feds, were very candid about calling it a demo job in how the building collapsed straight down on itself instead of twisting and falling to the side. They say that sort of thing takes a lot of calculation and also heard the "unmistakeable" charges going off in succession. These are guys who had been doing fire support on demos for 20 years and were gushing with their evidence. Now, you can't even get them on the record, no doubt they've been intimidated and threatened.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 19, 2006 - 12:21pm PT
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ST 9-11 OCTers,
As they say, "Denial is a very, very long river."
Personally, I do not think any of you are capable of getting off this river --- ever.
I think we could eventually even have some confessions to the crime, yet you will all sit back and say, "They are delusional. They can't possibly know what they are saying. They are crazy. Don't believe them."
There are now countless eye-witnesses to explosions seen, explosions heard, explosions felt, explosions on film and video, explosions recorded by seismic recorders, even explosions throwing people and witnesses nearly being killed by explosions as they describe it. Then we have the pre- explosions in the basements as witnessed by William Rodriguez et al. Pre-explosions in both basements. Another group of people experienced the other tower basement explosions, separate from William's experience.
Then we have molten steel flowing like rivers as seen by fire-men, and the same on film pouring out of the side of the South tower, and being pulled up during the clean-up, and the same molten pools of metal recorded by remote Satellite sensing technologies from NASA, weeks even months later.
The evidence is overwhelming but you still denie it. Sad really. So very sad.
Klimmer
PS
I have heard through the “Artic grape-vine,” Santa is bringing lumps of coal this Christmas to all 9-11 OCTers. Hey, but don't fret. This is fully in your control. Believe the evidence that most thoughtful reasonable and sane people see and you will be off his naughty-naughty list (lol).
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TradIsGood
Happy and Healthy climber
the Gunks end of the country
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Dec 19, 2006 - 12:24pm PT
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Countless?
Molten steel flowing like rivers? The banks, of course, being materials with higher melting point than steel?
Weeks or months later... Well decide which please. Then suggest the heat source that is keeping it molten. Have you ever observed a blacksmith? Not even molten and it cools down pretty quickly to non-malleable.
What kinda fish were in dem rivers? Anybody axualy ketch one?
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davidji
Social climber
CA
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Dec 19, 2006 - 12:25pm PT
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If y'all want to raise questions about 911, look at this collection of news stories and articles from diverse sources:
http://www.infowars.com/sept11_archive.htm
I guess I should admit to not having read them myself. But I expect Alex Jones has collected interesting stuff.
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mojede
Trad climber
Butte, America
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Dec 19, 2006 - 04:39pm PT
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Truth will make you free, but ignorance is bliss--everybody keep your heads in the sand and maybe all the "leaders" in the world will take care of its masses. Oh yeah, I forget that I studied political power, and its premise has not changed since man became "civilized". FTW--let's all go climbing!
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Curt
Boulder climber
Gilbert, AZ
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Dec 19, 2006 - 04:45pm PT
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ME
"The fireman was mistaken with regard to what he actually saw."
KLIMMER
"Come on. That's a lame dismissive copout. Face reality. Firefighters know their *shit*. It's their job. Check your breathing and pulse. You might be dead."
You're right, I'm sure the guy truly saw either a "foundry" or a "volcano" down there. Hahahahahaha
Curt
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Chaz
Trad climber
So. Cal.
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Dec 19, 2006 - 06:37pm PT
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What's a "OCTer"?
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elcapfool
Big Wall climber
hiding in plain sight
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Dec 19, 2006 - 06:42pm PT
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“Everbody’s Gotta Learn Sometime”
No, I don't think they will.
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