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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Heard on NPR this morning that some state (I forget) which legalized pot within the last
few years saw a doubling of pot related auto accidents.
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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Here's the report:
https://www.aaafoundation.org/prevalence-marijuana-use-among-drivers-fatal-crashes-washington-2010-2014
Of course NPR is going to bash legalization. They're another mouthpiece of the regime which makes waaaay too much money on not legalizing it.
"The team found that prior to legalization, about 8.3 percent of drivers involved in fatal crashes had THC in their blood, but after legalization, 17 percent of drivers had THC in their blood. Of that 17 percent, about two-thirds also had some other drugs or alcohol in their system."
So, in other words they still can't make weed out to be the boogeyman that we all learned about in school.
And no, I don't partake...
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Bad Climber
Trad climber
The Lawless Border Regions
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Thanks, Fear. My thinking exactly. I don't smoke either, but I want 64 to pass.
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Bad Climber
Trad climber
The Lawless Border Regions
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Some reading on Weed vs. Drink--CBS news report:
But a separate survey, the largest of its kind, offered another take on the issue -- highlighting the fact that driving under the influence of marijuana may not be nearly as hazardous as the impairment caused by alcohol.
The study assessing the comparative risk of drunk and drugged driving was conducted in Virginia Beach, Virginia, over a 20-month period; it involved the collection of data from more than 3,000 drivers involved in a crash, and more than 6,000 crash-free drivers for comparison.
That survey found that while marijuana users are more likely to be involved in accidents, the increased risk may be largely due to the fact that marijuana users are more likely to be part of demographic groups at higher risk of crashes generally. In particular, marijuana users are more likely to be young men -- a group already at high risk.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/stoned-driving-on-the-rise-not-as-risky-as-drinking-and-driving/
BAd
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NutAgain!
Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
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Maybe if we make every drug legal, in our lifetimes it will be safe to travel across the countryside in Mexico?
Impaired driving is impaired driving no matter what substance.
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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The situation across the border is just plain horrible. It's a combat zone in Mexico. Legalization is the only way to go IMO. People who will destroy their lives with substances have always done so regardless of laws.
The hypocrisy is thick with Alcohol being "legal". How many lives can we all count that have been destroyed because of its abuse? Tobacco?
The problem is our government makes it's money by creating these horrible things(i.e. War on Drugs) so that's never likely to happen.
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rincon
climber
Coarsegold
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I could take ten bong hits of the best weed in the world, and still drive better than most of the idiots on the road.
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limpingcrab
Trad climber
the middle of CA
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^^^^^^ Hahahahaha!
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Aw, shame on the AAA. I was counting on passage of Prop. 64 so my plans for cornering the munchies market could help me escape the ghetto.
John
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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I don't partake any longer, but while I lean towards legalization, I'm still dubious.
Yes, it just might reduce some of the drug violence, the tax revenues would be helpful, and the social impacts are likely to be no worse than alcohol...
But then again, maybe not (on the social impacts). The sh#t that can be had from dispensaries is waaaaaaay beyond anything from BITD, and there isn't much regulation on how it's refined or developed. And I don't like the way it's being corporatized already, and where that is sure to go.
So I'll probably vote for it, but not with the idealistic view I had in my 20's.
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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I could take ten bong hits of the best weed in the world, and still drive better than most of the idiots on the road.
Lol
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couchmaster
climber
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Legalize it. Long overdue. I don't smoke it, but most of my climbing friends do and they should not be made out to be criminals for puffing on a bong now and then.
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Caveman
climber
Cumberland Plateau
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Stoned people causing accidents. Drive down the road and watch others drive and then with a straight face tell me that cannabis is a problem. I see a problem every day and it aint cannabis. Hell, ride a motorcycle and you will find out a problem on the road.
"The sh#t that can be had from dispensaries is waaaaaaay beyond anything from BITD"
Maybe from your perspective. I had no idea that so many parts of the world were denied quality cannabis but y'all were able to sell fuel soaked smoke. Here abouts we probably would have used it to start campfires.
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reach
Trad climber
Brisbane, CA
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Heard on NPR this morning that some state (I forget) which legalized pot within the last
few years saw a doubling of pot related auto accidents.
Define "pot related". That could be misconstrued without knowing the deviation from the average number of total accidents. It could be that the total number accidents was the same or even went down while the number of drivers with THC in their system went up after legalization. The latter is a statistic I would put money on.
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Mungeclimber
Trad climber
Nothing creative to say
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Research results are mixed and yet they take a stand?
curious.
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NutAgain!
Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
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So I'll probably vote for it, but not with the idealistic view I had in my 20's.
I think of it like this. There are always going to be power-hungry and greedy people, so there are always going to be power struggles. Do I want my life impacted by little or big gangs (e.g. cartels) fighting each other for control, or do I want my life impacted by the bigger and easier-to-get-along-with gangs such as the State of California and The United States of America? We pay our protection money (taxes) and most of life flows smoothly with these biggest gangs. They aren't ideal organizations, and plenty of problems with corrupting influences, but they could be a lot worse. We have a nominal say in how things work.
The profit motive of corporations after legalization might lead to some ugly stuff like outlawing private backyard growing for personal use, and elimination of other options except to buy corporatized drugs from monopolized sources with fewer safety and quality controls over time. That is what is happening to our food supply, so until we figure out ways to fix that, I think the future issue with drugs is not one of the bigger issues we have to contend with. Keep it in perspective that people choosing recreational drugs are doing it for short-term pleasure in spite of the long-term health consequences, so they are making their choices. Food is a pretty different matter, since it is a necessity and many folks can't afford and just plain don't have a store nearby where they can buy organic food.
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10b4me
Mountain climber
Retired
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Who causes more accidents, people driving and texting, or people driving while under the influence of pot?
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WBraun
climber
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California with Proposition 64 proves that Kalifornika is a stoner state of stoned wannabee hippies ..... :-)
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