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Old_Duffer
Trad climber
Lake Arrowhead
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Topic Author's Original Post - Feb 4, 2016 - 02:09pm PT
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I originally liked the free for all atmosphere of the forum but now it is just too weird for me. The people who post climbing adventures, questions, gear related or climbing history should have their own forum to explore climbing. Let the rest post about politics, their own neurotic trolling efforts or who got banned or whatever else. If we want to go there; we can.
Why do those of us interested in climbing have to continue to wade through a cesspool in the meantime?
My liberty is now encroached upon by others; splitting allows for all to enjoy their liberty to explore whatever topic they like. Be honest, Supertopo was founded based on climbing. Let's allow those of us who are here for the climbing to enjoy each other's contributions.
What do you think ?
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WBraun
climber
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Old_Duffer I totally agree and suggested exactly what you did many times.
These people here who post about politics, their own neurotic trolling efforts or who got banned or whatever else are the ones keeping your idea from happening.
They're insane ......
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Oh you duffers, what Tami said....
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brotherbbock
Trad climber
Alta Loma, CA
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Its nice having all the crankloon topics mixed in with everything else.
It's like the real world, one big cluster f&%k.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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There are already tabs up at the top, for Forum, Route Beta, Trip Reports, Gear Reviews. Use them.
You'll be back here soon enough....hahahahahaahaha!!!!
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mike m
Trad climber
black hills
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actually relatively little climbing content on here. Wading through the other stuff takes too much work.
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Been suggested many times, thankfully has never happened.
First of all it shouldn't be THAT hard to read the thread titles and only click on climbing threads. Unless it's your will power that's a problem.
Secondly climbing threads get polluted with politics and other thread drift all the time. No one wants to police that.
Third a thread like "sexism in climbing" or "best climber's vehicle" is that climbing or other?
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Dingus McGee
Social climber
Where Safety trumps Leaving No Trace
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Are there any Goldilocks men that want on ST without having it just rite?
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nathanael
climber
CA
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those who say 'just read the titles and click what you want'
I don't visit hourly, I'd like to come and be able scan through 30 climbing related topics that have had posts in the last couple days and see if any are of interest. As it is, to see 30 climbing related topics I'd have to hit "next page" twice and read 60 unrelated thread titles because it seems the ratio is about 2-1.
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NutAgain!
Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
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Easiest way to support what everyone wants requires very little development work: implement a tag mechanism:
1. Author and readers assign tags to a thread
2. Abusive authors and readers can be voted down or have their tagging privileges revoked.
3. People can customize their view by whitelisting or blacklisting certain tags.
implementation: add a new table to DB with 3 fields: thread, tag value, tagger (userid). Will also need a few foreign keys to the user table: user_status (or whatever tracks when users are disabled), maybe a new user field for tagging status (if they are not disabled but just have tagging priileges suspended). Then when a user is banned or loses tagging privileges, their contribution to the tags associated to each thread is removed in real-time as part of processing the query for tags from each user. If the person is reinstated, their tags can be reintroduced, no data lost.
Biggest challenge I see is the processing load on the system- right now they can have a single simple query to display the top page, run a script that processes this every few seconds or caches the SQL query results, etc.... This stops the SQL DB from being hit every time a user loads a page. But with tagging, now you have thousands of users with separate tags in their queries, and you lose the caching. Requires more CPU and memory to handle the same traffic load.
But if you narrow it down, maybe specify a series of 5-10 predefined tags, then you can still cache the queries for different permutations, and balance user-customization with system performance.
HTH
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John M
climber
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It would be easy enough to keep the forum the way it is ...
and add a climbing tab.
Just keep all threads on the open forum, but when a thread is started, the poster has to label it "climbing related" or " other".
All threads go in the open forum.
Those climbing related also get put in the climbing tab.
Easy peasy..
they already do it with trip reports. They go in the open forum and in the trip report section so that they are easy to find.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Go to
Summit post
Rock climbing.com
Mtn Project
Set up just the way you like 'em
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John M
climber
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I've been saying it for close to 10 years. I'm glad someone finally gets it.
Edit:
Jaybro.. with my suggest the main page would stay the same. Unlike those other forums.
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jgill
Boulder climber
The high prairie of southern Colorado
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How would you classify this thread?
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John M
climber
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it wouldn't matter if a few get improperly placed. General consensus would happen. And we could report improperly place threads just like we report spam. And then when someone with the power to deal with it shows up, they could move it.
The whole world is mostly insane Werner. The forum is just a microcosm of the world.
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WBraun
climber
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jeebus the bonehead says -- "These people" is CMac.
No it's not.
It's boneheads like you .....
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John M
climber
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CMac listens to what the general consensus is. Its a slow process, but he listens. For years people have been asking for change, but the majority shouted it down. No change they kept saying.
trip reports were added as a tab.
Now climbing content could be treated the same way if the majority would just try to understand what I am proposing.
the main page would NOT change under my proposal. Except for the addition of a climbing tab.
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Happiegrrrl2
Trad climber
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Splitting would seriously cut down on page clicks, which is an advertising issue.
However, I think there is a workaround - Offer the option to "design" our feed. List the categories(basically those already there, but add "Climbing Discussion and "Other Discussion," as well as "All." Let people tick All or some mixture.
I think this would still allow a decent number for advertising purposes, since as was mentioned - many of us cannot help but look at the trainwreck threads.
For those who DON'T want to see the trash, the option to easily avoid it ay very well offset the diminished numbers of visits, since some of those people leave the site, or at least visit less often than they would if they could be confident they'd have a better experience.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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There is enough real estate on the screen to add three or four new tabs.
Why not do it and call them Door1, Door2, ... Doorn.
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