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Ihateplastic
Trad climber
It ain't El Cap, Oregon
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Topic Author's Original Post - Apr 27, 2015 - 08:18am PT
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I was reading this excellent (albeit needs more pics) thead
http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=2609632&tn=40
Near the beginning is a brief exchange between SweetWilliam and Fat Dad that made me cringe. (Not simply because of the horrific grammar and spelling issues.)
Sweet william posted this pic from Yosemite Climber and wrote, "That chick in the picther should have worn more than a sports bra like a long sleeve you get all scarped up in there"
Fat Dad quickly corrected him to say it was NOT a "chick" but instead was Valley Hardman Nic Taylor from Australia.
The response... classic! (Complete with even more grammar issues) "whateverr fatman did you climb it smarty? who is nick taylor i thought that was the guy in the rolling stones who died?"
This made me wonder... How long until the men who set the stage for the next generation of climbers are completely forgotten by the gym rats of today? In ten years will people know (this is a VERY brief list in no particular order):
Royal Robbins
Allen Steck
Warren Harding
Glen Denny
Jim Bridwell
Frank Sacherer
Mark Klemens
Barry Bates
Steve Roper
Yvon Chouinard
Tom Frost
Chuck Pratt
Bev Johnson
Werner Braun
Ron Kauk
Kevin Worrall
Lynn Hill
Hans Florine
John Long
John Bachar
Dale Bard
Augie Klein
Dave Diegelman
Bill Price
Charlie Porter
Sibylle Hechtel
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Rhodo-Router
Gym climber
sawatch choss
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Apr 27, 2015 - 08:23am PT
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Yosemite climbing is hands-down the most well-documented in our country, if not the world. I'm not too concerned.
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tooth
Trad climber
B.C.
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Apr 27, 2015 - 08:28am PT
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It is not concerning either that some people are ignorant of Yosemite or climbing history. Usually education starts with grammar before progressing to things they don't teach in school. More than just climbing pioneer history is lost to that poor soul.
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Psilocyborg
climber
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Apr 27, 2015 - 08:29am PT
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Actually seems like the dude is just being silly?
Either way I don't think coments from random internet users suggest a trend
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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Apr 27, 2015 - 08:30am PT
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don't forget about Ken boodawg!
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Apr 27, 2015 - 08:42am PT
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Remember?
Hell, they don't know sh!t about the history of climbing.
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Roxy
Trad climber
CA Central Coast
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Apr 27, 2015 - 08:45am PT
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Warren Harding
What!?! that ol' president climbed?
that's cool ;)
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Ihateplastic
Trad climber
It ain't El Cap, Oregon
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 27, 2015 - 08:58am PT
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At least Roxy knows the presidents!
One of these men had balls... the other just threw a ball.
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WBraun
climber
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Apr 27, 2015 - 09:03am PT
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Hell, they don't know sh!t about the history of climbing.
Sure they do.
Everyone wakes up in the morning and remembers what they did the day before.
And why am I on this list? I don't belong there.
I'm no pioneer, I just ate some bananas and jumped up and down like a monkey on some rocks and didn't do sh!t.
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johntp
Trad climber
socal
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Apr 27, 2015 - 09:08am PT
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and didn't do sh!t.
Not buying that line.
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Apr 27, 2015 - 09:13am PT
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Remember?
Hell, they don't know sh!t about the history of climbing.
Prolly has someth'in to do with the higher thc levels in the gonja these days compared to the weed you smoked
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Apr 27, 2015 - 09:15am PT
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Remember?
Hell, they don't know sh!t about the history of climbing.
Bullsh#t.
Don't paint us all with the same brush Ron.
I appreciate history and pass it on to the next generation we are now mentoring every chance I get.
If you are actually concerned about climbing, take some of these new kids out and show them how you roll. Action speaks much louder than words.
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Roots
Mountain climber
Tustin, CA
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Apr 27, 2015 - 09:15am PT
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Interesting question. Coincidentally I was thinking about this subject on my drive to work this morning. I'd say in about 100 or more years, and no one will care about early climbing history.
In the mean time, a lot of people on this site are doing their part to make sure it doesn't get "lost" for the time being.
On a related note:
Last week I noticed that Ken Boche was a member of a FA party out in the Palisades. Not a 5.3 jug haul or whatever the F! was stated above.
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clinker
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
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Apr 27, 2015 - 09:22am PT
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Adam
Mohammed
Socrates
Cleopatra
Alexander
Cook
Hartouni
Hillary
Mandela
Jack
Yes, I believe they will.
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ryankelly
Trad climber
Bhumi
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Apr 27, 2015 - 09:26am PT
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Don't forget my buddy Rick Cashner on your list.
Werner, you got any good Rick stories for the internet?
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Apr 27, 2015 - 09:40am PT
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I'd say in about 100 or more years, and no one will care about early climbing history.
You really think that people who love climbing won't care about it's roots? I don't believe it for a second. There are lots of people who don't care about human history either, but that doesn't mean it's been entirely forgotten.
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ron gomez
Trad climber
fallbrook,ca
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Apr 27, 2015 - 09:47am PT
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Funny.....but not funny story.
So a few years back, Bridwell and I are in Yosemite Valley visiting. Went by to see Werner, Merry and John Dill, was a good visit, fun listening to the BS flying. So we leave good company and decide to go by C-4 rescue site, Jim wanted to see it since it had been such a long span between visits. On the drive over from the Village he talks about Lucy and Virginia Parker and how Julia and Ralph's old house use to be amongst the pines right outside of C-4, he talks about how they use to go over and visit with Lucy and Virginia when Julia and Ralph were out of town....the parties at the house. We park the truck in the Lodge parking lot and walk across to C-4, walking through Camp 4 with Jim is a story in itself listening to all the stories he has from his stay there.
We go beyond the camp and he shows me the old house site, what's left of it. He seems saddened by the fact it's not there and all the memories he had there with the Parker's. On the walk back into camp we stop by the tent cabins of the rescue crew. There is yellow tape marking the boundaries and Jim talks of how far this crew has come to now have their own spot in camp and have the comfort of tent cabins, instead of tents and sleeping bags back in his day. He wants to go talk with some of the SAR members, so he steps over the yellow tape and before he could get his other foot in bounds a member steps out of one of the cabins and informs Jim, he is in unauthorized territory and he must step back over the tape! He laughs and steps back and I try to explain the situation and who Jim is. She hears nothing of it and says she does not know of Bridwell and we need to be escorted into the SAR site by a SAR member!! Jim and I are floored...and as we walk back to the truck, he is laughing that the site he started, he is no longer known or welcome.
So yeah.....our "pioneers" will be forgotten. Sad as it may be.
Peace
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Apr 27, 2015 - 09:52am PT
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This is really funny. AntiPlasticMan (eKat calls him that) worries that Yosemite pioneers will be forgotten, and provides a list to remind us just who those pioneers were...
...conveniently forgetting that those weren't the pioneers at all. That the real pioneers were the ones who came before most of the guys on the list. Maybe Al Steck qualifies as straddling generations, but most of the others were second- and third-wave. They pushed the envelope of the possible, but definitely followed the path pioneered by those who came before.
I'm guilty, too, as I couldn't name them all, nor tell you the stories of their climbs, so help me out. I remember the name Bestor Robinson, but there were a bunch of others...
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ron gomez
Trad climber
fallbrook,ca
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Apr 27, 2015 - 09:54am PT
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Kevin, you should give the movie a look, you are oh SO YOUNG in it!
Peace
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