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micronut
Trad climber
Fresno/Clovis, ca
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Topic Author's Original Post - Jul 30, 2014 - 03:04pm PT
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The Spanish word sierra means "range of mountains," and is usually found in combination with other words, such as Sierra Blanca (White Range), Sierra Madre (Mother Range, or Central Range), and Nevada (Snowy Range). Occasionally las sierras is used to designate a group of mountain ranges or ridges. In the Spanish narratives of exploration una sierra nevada is frequently found written without capital initials, referring simply to a snow-covered range of mountains. It was in this that our own Sierra Nevada was first designated. Early in the nineteenth century it was sometimes called the California Range by American explorers, but gradually the Spanish phrase prevailed, and after a while it became a specific name and took its place on all maps. The Sierra Nevada is distinctly a unit, both geographically and topographically, and is well described as "una sierra nevada." Strictly speaking, therefore, we should never say "Sierras," or "High Sierras," or "Sierra Nevadas" in referring to it. Nevertheless, these forms are so frequently found in the very best works of literature and science that it would perhaps be pedantic to deny their admissibility. It becomes, therefore, a matter of preference, and for our part we rather like to keep in mind the unity of our great range by calling it simply "The Sierra" or "The Sierra Nevada."
Having thus promised not to look askance at "Sierras," we may perhaps be spared the pain of hearing "Sierra Nevada Mountains." Surely one does not say "Loch Katrine Lake," "Rio Grande River," or "Saint San Francisco".
[This note by Francis Farquhar, the authority on Sierra place names, first appeared in the Bulletin (Sierra Club) in 1928. Largely owing to his editorial effort, the name "Sierras" is even less admissible now than it was then. Some speakers and writers have gone farther than Farquhar would wish: they drop the terminal s all right, but, forgetting the unity of the range, they consider the name to be plural, e.g., "The Sierra are ...." The name "Sierras" is still stuck to by a few recalcitrants who probably concluded that logic has nothing to do with the acceptance place names, and who could cite, in accepted nomenclature, many redundancies such as Little Chico Creek (Little Little Creek).
We cannot argue logically with persons who deprecate logic; nevertheless, we can call them names. So we aver that the man who will say "Sierras" will also say "Frisco," and is probably on a par with the printer who would letter-space lower case type. Such a printer, said Goudy, would steal sheep.]
Excerpt from the 1947 Sierra Club Bulletin. ed. David Brower
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Gene
climber
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Jul 30, 2014 - 03:09pm PT
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I am reading The Right Stuff by Tom Wolfe. Great book except for his pluralization of the Sierra.
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Jul 30, 2014 - 03:14pm PT
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The Sierra Nevada contains many ranges: the Minarets, the Kaweahs, the Inconsolable, etc. So yes, it is the sierras.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Jul 30, 2014 - 03:18pm PT
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Yet another reason why I admire Brower: good grammar.
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looks easy from here
climber
Ben Lomond, CA
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Jul 30, 2014 - 03:23pm PT
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Maybe I'll start calling them the Sierras Nevadas, to keep them grammatically correct in espanol.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Jul 30, 2014 - 03:28pm PT
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Hay granito?
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Jul 30, 2014 - 03:30pm PT
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Ron, good point. While we're at it, we should change the name of your state to Nevadas. There's more than one snow there, right?
Mr. Milktoast, I refer you to Wiki:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaweah_Peaks_Ridge
Kaweah Peaks Ridge is a spur of the Great Western Divide, a sub-range of California's Sierra Nevada.
You're correct about the Minarets. My bad! It's the Ritter Range!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ritter_Range
The Ritter Range is a small mountain range within California's Sierra Nevada.
I leave the rest as an exercise for the reader.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Jul 30, 2014 - 03:35pm PT
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Let's see...who shall we side with when it comes to proper grammar and spelling....hmmm.......
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Jul 30, 2014 - 03:35pm PT
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I always liked that name: The Inconsolable Range. They look it, too.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Jul 30, 2014 - 03:36pm PT
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El granito tiene fissures?
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Jul 30, 2014 - 03:36pm PT
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I respect the views of what's her name on the subject, posted here I forget when.
I have not varied in using Sierra Nevada but one time since she laid down the law, and that was tongue-in-cheek.
As is this, Hoos Jolia.
Brower's legacy includes this Nat. Geo. feature from the fifties.
No plural, just the singular.
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Captain...or Skully
climber
in the oil patch...Fricken Bakken, that's where
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Jul 30, 2014 - 03:44pm PT
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You'd think it mattered.
Couldn't we just look at each other and chuckle, as has been done many thousands of times?
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Jul 30, 2014 - 03:45pm PT
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The Roy Rogers of California mountain ranges.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_Range_(California);
The mountain range from the novel by Frank Norris, McTeague (basis for the movie Greed)in the other end of the state.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panamint_Range
Ix-nay on "Yolla Bolly range," but such a cool name.
Capt., oh, Capt., or Skully, oh, Skully...HAHAHA!
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Roots
Mountain climber
Tustin, CA
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Jul 30, 2014 - 03:46pm PT
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I climb in the Sierra Nevada (Mountains)....
I'm off to the "Sierras" this weekend..
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DonC
climber
CA
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Jul 30, 2014 - 03:54pm PT
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The official keeper of place names in the US is the United States Board of Geographic Names. Search on domestic names
http://geonames.usgs.gov
Local use may vary... Even the term High Sierra is not recognized by the Board, other than the High Sierra Trail
I'm sure we all have some of these:
Place Names of the Sierra Nevada - Browning
A Climber's Guide to the High Sierra - Vogue, 1965
Mountaineer's Guide to the High Sierra - Vogue, Amatko, 1972
The Climber's Guide to the High Sierra - Roper, 1976
The High Sierra - Secor, 2009
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rmuir
Social climber
From the Time Before the Rocks Cooled.
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Jul 30, 2014 - 04:27pm PT
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My Spanish is lousy, but my mad skilz saw says that it's a "sierra circular". Saw toothed, indeed. The Sierra Nevada seems more appropriately named that Les Gran Tetons…
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Jul 30, 2014 - 04:36pm PT
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Lol. I have no actual knowledge on this subject. Nor did i ever claim to... I was just jibbin' on that other thread!! Lol
Mouse!!! This pic rulez!!!
Thanks!!
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Psilocyborg
climber
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Jul 30, 2014 - 04:36pm PT
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It doesn't bother me when people say "sierras", but I do think your stupid. But its ok to be stupid. Embrace it!
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Jul 30, 2014 - 04:38pm PT
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It's "The Sierra" no S as in Treasure of the Sierra Madre!
Jaybro, posting from the Northern Rocky
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DonC
climber
CA
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Jul 30, 2014 - 04:41pm PT
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DMT - perhaps, but not a reference in his book. He lists Farquhar's 1926 Place Names of the High Sierra as his starting point, plus updated research.
Another bit of "interesting" info. The US Board on Geographic Names defines the Sierra Nevada as extending from the gap south of Lassen Peak in the north, to the Tehachapi Pass in the south.
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